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^Not trying to criticize you in any way, trust me. But I don't think the park's problem is "their coaster's aren't cute & cuddley enough" I think their problems run much deeper than just ride appeal and raising ticket prices. From an entry-level perception, I don't think what the park as a whole offers anything to justify raised admission, and the expectation for 30,000 people daily. Even with prices the way they are now it gets crowded sometimes. Inefficient operations, poor food quality, lackluster in-park communication, and an apparent lack of commitment by both management and field employees to the best bang for your buck play bigger factors than just "no one talks about our rides enough. Save Xcelerator, EVERY SINGLE COASTER at Magic Mountain, EVERY SINGLE ONE, runs circles around Knott's lineup.But it takes more than just building the product. You have to market the whole package.

 

Other than a small parcel of land they use for over flow parking, as well as the existing paved parking lot, there is no real area that isn't already being used for something. They are fully built out to all corners of the property.

If my memory serves me correctly, the park owns the land east of Feedmill road a good ways. (about 50-75 ft) Based on the money you mentioned would be needed to remove things/land clearing out of the park, they could push the lot back and even build a structure. I figure they'd be in for the same amount of cash either way.

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If my memory serves me correctly, the park owns the land east of Feedmill road a good ways. (about 50-75 ft) Based on the money you mentioned would be needed to remove things/land clearing out of the park, they could push the lot back and even build a structure. I figure they'd be in for the same amount of cash either way.

 

That's part of the small parcel I was referring to. It's an irregular skinny piece that flows along side Feedmill Rd and then wraps around the far side of the parking lot opening up to a decent sized chunk they use for overflow parking. First of all, you wouldn't want to build part of the park completely separated from the rest of the park. Second, I don't think they can spare the parking right now. They could build some new operations buildings in that space, and get rid of some of the old ones to make room for park expansion, but again that would be very costly and you still lose the parking space.

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If my memory serves me correctly, the park doesnt own ANY of the land, but rents/leases it from the Newhall Land company.....this could have changed though

 

Nope, they own the land under this park. That's why they were trying to sell it back in 2007, to raise a bunch of money. If they were still leasing it, they couldn't have sold the property because it wouldn't have been theirs to sell.

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Oh Magic, you never cease to amaze me.

 

Had a SFMM Virgin with us this morning. At opening X2, Tatsu, and Viper were all down and had not even begun testing.

 

KT was bored with the kids rides before noon. I was annoyed at having to be segregated into a little kids area far away from my friends. If any of you have read my last two KidTums' Korner articles in the Club TPR Newsletter today was a perfect example of just how terrible it is for 'families' when there is one kids area in a giant park.

 

Upon leaving around 1pm Tatsu was running one train with a reported 2+ hour wait. That is just unacceptable.

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^ Yikes, incredible "deja vu". It's like 2003 all over again. So sorry to hear this Elissa, but I feared this would happen as soon as they pulled Jay Thomas and started with the budget cuts without any regard for how the park's would operate. If this is what we're going to get this year, I'll make one visit (WCB), and then no more, nor will I invest in a season pass.

 

Just two weeks ago I was hopefull that the so-cal parks would have a great year. Now I have very little desire to visit any of them.

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^Ha, speaking of season passes...

 

We had to get ours processed today...

 

Well, my mother always told me if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all!

 

I think KT's face in her picture pretty much sums up our experience though!!!

 

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Upon leaving around 1pm Tatsu was running one train with a reported 2+ hour wait. That is just unacceptable.

 

2 hour que on a off season Sunday afternoon is truly sad. I feel for you. I was gona head over to MM today but something came up at the last minute. I guess it saved me some gas

 

To MM's credit though I've been 5 times since picking up my pass in Nov and haven't had any problems at all. I even made the mistake of going on Toy's for Tot's day (I cursed the coaster gods when I got out of my car and saw everyone carrying toys) and although the lines where a bit long, everything was running and they had their "A team" operating the trains (These are the ppl who know how to put their thumb up and push button at the same time, which seems is not a requirement of all MM employees) .

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^ Yikes, incredible "deja vu". It's like 2003 all over again. So sorry to hear this Elissa, but I feared this would happen as soon as they pulled Jay Thomas and started with the budget cuts without any regard for how the park's would operate. If this is what we're going to get this year, I'll make one visit (WCB), and then no more, nor will I invest in a season pass.

 

Just two weeks ago I was hopefull that the so-cal parks would have a great year. Now I have very little desire to visit any of them.

 

Well, there's still Knott's, Universal, and Disneyland. At least those parks still look to have a great year (at least Knott's). Just saying, Magic Mountain isn't the only park in Southern California, and its not like it determines the fate of everything else.

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Here's a report from today...

 

It's my birthday so we figured we go to Six Flags and get our passes processed...

 

The day started out not-so-great. They charged me for parking even though I already paid for it. Now I have to go wait in another line so I can get my money back. Thankfully the people at Guest Relations took care of it pretty quickly.

 

Security line.... Yikes!

 

The line to get in was pretty long...

 

...good thing we have a Discover Card!

 

We were just told that Jet Stream and Ninja were closed today...that leaves on Flash Pass...not much!

 

Well, they did their part and at least tried to make it to the trash can before puking.

 

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It's 10:40am and not much is open...you can ride Revolution and Colossus!

 

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10:47 X2 also closed. C'mon SFMM! You guys were doing sooo good! Hopefully this is just a fluke day...

 

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11:00am ... No Tatsu either...not cool. We have first timers with us today! Not the best first impression.

 

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Hooray! We found an open ride!

 

Here are the new Apocalypse signs.

 

And another.

 

Oh good! You can take you bags, cameras and cell phones on Apocalypse... They only aren't allowed on Terminator!

 

Here is the new pre-show video! Please watch this!

What do you all think? Better? Worse? Or the same cheese level? POST BELOW!

 

"Remember your family? SHOOT TO KILL!!!". Wait, you want me to kill my family??? That is easily my favorite part of the video! It sounds like he wants us to kill our family!!! Wow...

 

According to the pre-show, we are still riding Psyclone! LOL!

 

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Something seems missing here...

 

No audio... But we knew that already...

 

But the "box" is still attached!

 

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To be honest, the new pre-show isn't any better or worse than the old one. The biggest disappointment of the new pre-show is that they still send around half-empty trains while you're forced to watch it. I'm not sure there is a single guest out there who would rather be watching the cheesy video versus being on the coaster 6 minutes quicker. It's fine when you have a full queue and it gives your guests something to watch. I totally support that. But when you have no line...and really...a GCI woodie doesn't *need* a backstory...let your guests ride... PLEASE!!! I don't think that's asking too much.

 

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At least you can still Take The Tunnel!!!

 

The rest of the theming and the queue areas were exactly the same. The only things that have changed so far are some of the signs and the pre-show movie.

 

You can still get all the Terminator Salvation merchandise.

 

Lots of T-Shirts left ... And all still at full price! They should make a killing from coaster dorks! (I bought some stuff!)

 

Plenty of classy shirt designs left to choose from.

 

Lots of fridge magnets left...

 

...and possibly the most awesome tacky snow glove ever! I'm now a proud owner of one of these!!!

 

We see you hiding Psyclone!

 

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That sign reminds me that we should go check out Thomas Town!

 

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Oh, Thomas Town...

 

Not looking very kid-friendly today.

 

Cranky is not even around to be pissed off!

 

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You can see the train faces all covered up.

 

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There does appear to be a de-Thomasized train on the track.

 

The new park map is very interesting...

 

Oooh! That sounds like fun! Let's go ride that...

 

Oh...

 

Coming soon! A new kiddie coaster that we still aren't sure if kiddies will be able to ride! (The website still says 42" height restriction)

 

There appears to be some construction or maybe destruction going on here.

 

Let's go see how things are going at Superman...

 

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This should be very cool when it opens back up.

 

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Doesn't it look pretty?

 

Here's one angle of it...

 

And here's another ...

 

And third times the charm!

 

Riddlers was running one train... So was Revolution... So was Tatsu ... With a 2 hour wait!

 

Cute! Since we are in Gotham...let's check out Green Lantern construction...

 

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This are should be looking VERY different soon!

 

This was part of the old night club from the 80s and the later used as Batman queue overflow.

 

You can see lots of markers and trees marked for removal.

 

Did anyone come to the dance club in the late 80s?

 

More tree marks and construction markers.

 

The old overflow queue...looks like most of this will be cleared out.

 

Looks like some clearing has begun.

 

The markers go pretty far back...

 

I would guess that lamp that is in the current Batman queue will be getting the axe.

 

There are other ground markings in the current Batman queue.

 

More markers.

 

Taken from inside the Batman queue.

 

Some other things to note... Longhorns is gone...

 

Johnny Rockets still here...

 

This the old Sierra Twist area....

 

Not exactly sure what this is. There was a gate blocking you from entering... But it looks nice!

 

Sierra Falls gone...

 

Psyclone lives on!

 

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No, you have FOUR!!! Apocalypse counts!!!

 

We'll have more construction updates once things start moving a bit more...

 

Now... POST YOUR COMMENTS!!!

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Robb, please explain the 80's disco....what did those old bldg fronts have to do with it? And yes, the new Apocalypse pre-show is just as cheesy as the Terminator show....I was hoping they would have gotten rid of most of the theming(just left a few accents) and let the focus be primarily on the coaster itself.

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I feel that the Terminator pre show now ends right as soon as it gets good. Good acting, but lame ending.

 

Robb-

With Six Flags Magic Mountain being how it was today, do you think that the "new" SFMM is worse than the "new" SFMM that was the Thomas/Shapiro era. I know it's too early to tell, but if you could predict based on your visit today, does SFMM seem like it will get any better or worse this year? Just thought I'd ask.

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The park seriously looks like it's falling apart and getting worse.

 

Thomas Town closed, lame cardboard Apocalypse signs just put over the original signs, ride closures, ride removals, trashcans with barf all over them, late ride openings, poor ride operations and the soon destruction of a once peaceful Gotham park.

 

Ugh, how embarrassing. Hopefully it's all uphill from here, but for some reason I don't think it's going to be...

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I can see what the park is aiming for, but I personally think they'd be better off just they way the were. SUPERMAN: THE ESCAPE FROM KRYPTON, GREEN LANTERN, and the KID'S COASTER are the only positives. APOCALYPSE isn't that good, especially with the pre-show, it should have stayed TERMINATOR SALVATION, and instead of re-theming THOMAS TOWN, the management could have introduced a new land like SIX FLAGS FRIENDS' FORT FUN, where it includes the LOONEY TOONS, WIGGLES, THOMAS, and MR.SIX! However, that's just my opinion...

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With Six Flags Magic Mountain being how it was today, do you think that the "new" SFMM is worse than the "new" SFMM that was the Thomas/Shapiro era.

I'm probably going to get in trouble for saying this, but I believe in speaking my mind and being honest... I feel that almost everything that was done during the Shapiro days to improve the park has been almost undone. The park looked and "felt" today the worst I've seen it in years.

 

It was honestly a little sad and very disappointing. Like I said in the report, I'm hoping this was just a "fluke" day. But back to rides not opening on time, employees not even knowing what's going on, trashcans looking disgusting, coasters operating one train, and just the overall feel of things being dumbed down...I don't know what's going on with the park, if it's something company-wide, but the place felt really, REALLY 'off' today.

 

The best example is when we arrived at the park. We ended up taking two cars. We both had our season pass vouchers with the parking option (as in the picture posted.) We went through two different parking booths. Elissa handed the employee the voucher, went through no problem, she wasn't charged for parking. My employee, looked at me like I just handed her something written in Japanese. She had absoultely no clue what she was looking at, or what to do with it. She charged for me for parking and told me to go to Guest Relations. WTF! C'mon! Get your act together!!!! How is it that Elissa and I can both pull up to the parking booths at the same time and have two totally different experiences. Unacceptable!

 

I'm gonna chalk it up to just being a 'bad day', but I sure hope it's not a sign of things to come...

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I still can't help but to wonder how much longer Tidal Wave is going to be there.

 

Also, given the fact that Longhorn's never had a permanent sign, was it, too, meant to be temporary?

 

As for Apocalypse, they ought to just remove that very last car with the box for holding the audio equipment. But I doubt they will. Regarding the new pre-show, how funny that Psyclone appears in it. And I've always gotten a kick out of how "well" they erased the Psyclone name off of that one wall.

 

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As for Apocalypse, they ought to just remove that very last car with the box for holding the audio equipment. But I doubt they will.

I'm assuming it's still there because of the extra weight it adds to the train.

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I doubt any trouble will come of it, afterall, you are a guest expressing what happened during your stay. If everything said must be rosey, then no one will know where the shortfalls are. Personally, I didn't by into the stock at 30/share and surprised where it is now as I wanted to wait to see how things panned out. Should have I bought in and doubled my dough, maybe, but SF's looked risky and still does given recent changes. We'll see how 2011 pans out, but I have a feeling it might not have the stellar shareholders numbers they are looking for if staff, services, and perks continue to get cut.

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