atem122 Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 The problem with building a strata coaster in StE's spot is the superstructure it needs, and how much wider it is. I'm pretty sure they could just clear some brush around where StE is now so that's not a problem, but the structure needed to support a strata is much larger than StE's structure. So you'd either have to build it on the path that goes under StE, in Goliath's queue, or On the Highly uneven mountain, all of which are bad ideas Edit: and an upside down tophat just plain old wouldnt work, if the ride gets stuck up there, you've got a very dangerous or at least highly uncomfortable situation at the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajinaz Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 Keep in mind that I have no clue if this will ever happen, but it's what I want to see. Estimated Stats: Speed: 145 - 150 m.p.h. Height: 470 ft. from station to crest, about 530 from crest to bottom of hill. Cost: ... a lot.... Sincerely, R.C. I don't think that they have the budget to remove S:TE. Removing it is a major engineering feat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfmmrules! Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 Do you think SFMM would put in a Kinda Ka type of coaster? But the only problem is SFMM already has a launch Super Man The Escape & it also douples as a drop tower so SFMM has no need for a drop tower. & There is Xcelator down at Knotts so hm SFMM is kind of stuck when it comes to a new coaster because SFMM has every type there is!!! How many more coasters can SFMM think of that are different/unique like X2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CA_Coaster_Guy Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 Im sorry but Superman may be a launch type ride but its definitely not similar to Kingda Ka(KK) or Top Thrill Dragster(TTD). Superman is an out and back ride, not a complete circuit ride like Kingda Ka/ TTD. The most boring part about superman is the tower so its sad to hear you claim that they already have one as its a sad example of a drop tower all you can see is the sky not the drop, which leaves only the launch as a strong point. Thus its known in my circle as "Super Boring Man" Like I said before the only exciting part of the ride is the launch and that high g part only lasts 2-3 seconds. when your at the top (halfway up the tower) you cant see the drop at all, you can only look to the side or hang out the side and look down. I want a big thrill and a big drop thats what im hoping for, if they have to remove superman to get it so be it, Superman wont be missed especially if its replaced a TTD KK type coaster. Plus Knotts is the opposite direction near Disneyland and a log haul for SFMM locals. the KK,TTD ride type is definitely something missing from six-flags MM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stricklandCC Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 I wouldn't doubt if this has been asked before, so pardon me. What are the most likely locations for next seasons coaster(assuming SFMM is still getting one)? I'm not extremely familiar with the park, so google earth images would be helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jew Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 ^Go back and read the last 10 pages of this thread and you will have your questions answered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfmmrules! Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Now how can we get the SFMM management to give SFMM a Kinda Ka-maybe even a faster longer version!!! They can keep Superman-they would have no reason to remove it. Maybe they can enhance Superman by making the cars go higher up the tower closer to the Superman at the top after they put in the new coaster for next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallish Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Geez! When did all the Kingda Ka-lovin' need-for-record-breakin'-speed-needin' 500-foot-launched-wantin' young whippersnappers take over this thread?!! That's the LAST thing the park needs or will get, and it wou;dn't make for a good coaster anyway. Now, if you want to talk about improbabble transformations like S: TE into a rocket coaster, then I want to suggest an even better idea: Riddler being changed into a Dive Machine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroG001 Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 I'm hoping the park doesn't get a bigger version of Kingda Ka. SFMM doesn't need a record breaking coaster to please people. X2 and Terminator have both proven that. What the park need is a variety of flat rides that can appeal to both thrill seekers and families. Along with that, I'd like to see a spinning coaster and an Intamin full circuit launched coaster at the park. I want the launched coaster to stay close to the ground, like Maverick, though. The park has a lot of potential with the hilly landscape that they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolliger&Mabillard Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 I'm hoping the park doesn't get a bigger version of Kingda Ka. SFMM doesn't need a record breaking coaster to please people I'd like to see a spinning coaster and an Intamin full circuit launched coaster at the park I know that it doesn't have to be faster than Ka, but if MM wants to open a rocket or LSM coaster, it has to be more appealing than the two that are 50 miles south of the park. SFMM doesn't need a record breaking coaster to please people. X2 and Terminator have both proven that X has proven that a unique riding experience unparalled to nothing else in North America keeps the people coming back. Terminator, after the new car smell wears off, will hold a solid reputation as a classic woodie experience, but I don't think will be as popular three or five years down the road like it is today. Geez! When did all the Kingda Ka-lovin' need-for-record-breakin'-speed-needin' 500-foot-launched-wantin' young whippersnappers take over this thread?!! When Cedar Point announces an X2/ Bizarro-esque revamp that will include Dragster getting an extra 100ft and going 0-150mph in 0.2 seconds. Backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
netdvn Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 I've been wondering... Is it possible for SFMM to build a strata using STE's existing structure? They could get rid of the track from the station to the base of the tower and build the new track next to where the original track went. The top hat would go directly over the tower and they could place any extra supports behind it. The launch would be next to where STE's right launch track used to be and the brake run would be next to the former left side launch track... Edit: and an upside down tophat just plain old wouldnt work, if the ride gets stuck up there, you've got a very dangerous or at least highly uncomfortable situation at the least. Both Mr. Freeze coasters and Chiller have inverted tophats. I hope you know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolliger&Mabillard Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 If a skydiver can jump off of it, why NOT fling a train over it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharwoo Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 about the 2010 coaster , forgive this if it disrupts the flow of the current topics and speaking : i am feeling that the park should get another hyper-coaster, one that is focused upon relentless airtime and a quite long length, perhaps a B&M model, replacing superman with a launch ride is appealing insofar as the ride could take great advantage of the terrain of the giant mountain, sweep spiral swirl tunnel in and out of it, and be a long ride of exceptional quality never before seen with the essential simple layouts of xcellerator and the likes, this park seems to be low on potential opportunities for new devleopment of roller coasters ! ? and they seem to be due for a rebound of their quest for numbers, records, and quality, because as the novelty of their gimmicking runs off, they are left with a hunk of rides that could have been so much better if more was invested in length, surprise, and quality of elements and pacing, rather than flash and flare, even looking at goliath which is wonderful, there is only so much you can ride it and not realize "this could be so much longer, better, with so much more within its layout" they could havebuilt a true mega quality hyper coaster the likes of which never seen before (even though Goliath is one of my most cherished rides!) and forgone something like deja vu, or even scream for that matter! or if the desire for Quality slays the beast of commerce they could build another woodie, this one being a very relentless out and back airtime junky type ride ! //\\//\\ is it supposable that with this giant mountain of theirs, they could build a dive machine that has an incredible huge drop, with it starting out atop the hill somewhere near superman ? it could be a record breaker then, and use some of this space to also have a very long and satisfying layout working with terrain, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolliger&Mabillard Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 ^I always thought the park could have benefited from one even after Goliath, as Goliath creates OMFG positive G's, but no OMFG negative G's. Plus, I don't think B&M at the time of Goliath's inception would have built the park a ride as high as what they have now. Such a ride could work very well using the old Metro station in Colossus County Fair for loading (which would cause guests to spend more time on that side of the park as management intends) and the airspace around Superman for an out and back design with the lift facing Cyclone Bay, with a turnaround over the midway by the go-karts, and utilizing the terrain on the "Ninja" hill, with a return trip and main brake somewhere behind Golden Bear theater. Not that I'm hoping for it, I just see this as making the most sense if they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atem122 Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 I've been wondering... Both Mr. Freeze coasters and Chiller have inverted tophats. I hope you know that. I do know that, but those use LIM propulsion and not Hydraulic Propulsion, the chances of a rollback or stall are much higher with hydraulic launches, LIMs not so much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharwoo Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 ^I always thought the park could have benefited from one even after Goliath, as Goliath creates OMFG positive G's, but no OMFG negative G's. Plus, I don't think B&M at the time of Goliath's inception would have built the park a ride as high as what they have now. Such a ride could work very well using the old Metro station in Colossus County Fair for loading (which would cause guests to spend more time on that side of the park as management intends) and the airspace around Superman for an out and back design with the lift facing Cyclone Bay, with a turnaround over the midway by the go-karts, and utilizing the terrain on the "Ninja" hill, with a return trip and main brake somewhere behind Golden Bear theater. Not that I'm hoping for it, I just see this as making the most sense if they did. Mmm , Yes let's do it then! this did not occur to me until today but MM seems to be running out of things it can do with itself other than exist and fine tune, unless it removes attractions ! they have nearly one of "everything" as far as BIG roller coasters go , even Tatsu which is lovely could have and should have been a lot longer of a ride with more daring elemental pacing and terrain hugging, why did they want it to be very very tall, and rather short? (and god bless the pretzel loop! ooooh!) in terms of long term novelty and interest : X 2 (?? just call it X ! ) Scream Goliath Riddler (have not been on terminator) these seem to be the most somehow "Unique" or "lasting" rides, not my favorites necessarily , //////\\\\\ how many people that go to MM have never been on any of the rides before ? they will always be snagging up young people that are mind-blown at the wonders of the current coasters, but in terms of having been there, 5-10, more times, some of the rides could clearly have been made more extravagant, even if it mean having a smaller tally of coasters, IMO ? (large train of confused emoticons) i'm thinking i really want to go to the mountain again, to try teriminator, but also i'm thinking "i've been on goliath about 25 times.... its wonderful but is any of this worth the crowds and the summer?) off-season might be where its at. or a flash-pass, i'm being critical because they are a wonderful park and one of the best but they have a tendency to lush after flashieness numbers and tallies and compromise a lot of quality in the process , which does not seem to be so with Terminator based upon the reputations it has brought in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfmmrules! Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 A Volcano Blast Coaster or Maverick clone would be awsome. But PLEASE NOT A THBS & a clone of the most stupidest coaster to date-Poney Express!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolliger&Mabillard Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 ^For everyone going crazy over a "Maverick type" ride being a "family" type coaster, please keep in mind it was $21,000,000 and has a 52" height requirement. With those type of numbers, you might as well get a rocket coaster, or at the very least, something like Blue Fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GivenOneChance Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Now how can we get the SFMM management to give SFMM a Kinda Ka-maybe even a faster longer version!!! They can keep Superman-they would have no reason to remove it. Maybe they can enhance Superman by making the cars go higher up the tower closer to the Superman at the top after they put in the new coaster for next year. I agree. I don't understand why you'd remove it. Just leave it. Even though it is a boring ride, the park would look extremely weird with it gone. Besides ...I've grown accustomed to the obnoxious sound of the train heading back down toward the station. I look forward to hearing it when I'm on that end of the park. To further elaborate on your point, I think it would be really cool if they reinstated the use of the second track (as well as improved the ride to perhaps go at 100 MPH again)....like a race. From my last experiences, Superman does pick up some attention, a crowd, so I don't think employing the second track would be a significant waste of resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebl Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 ^^^ I don't think Knott's has anything to worry about regarding SFMM copying "Puny" Express. It would be great if SFMM becomes the first Six Flags park to build a dive machine, as they could be very creative and have a lot of fun with the terrain. However, I don't know if Anheuser Busch has any kind of deal with B&M to keep it exclusive to their parks here in the U.S. A good bobsled ride would also be fun and something different than what is offered locally. The old Sarajevo Bobsled ride was about a quarter-mile---too short and too many block brakes on it. (That very ride was moved to SFOT and renamed La Vibora in the mid- to late '80s.) Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterGracey1995 Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 To further elaborate on your point, I think it would be really cool if they reinstated the use of the second track (as well as improved the ride to perhaps go at 100 MPH again)....like a race. From my last experiences, Superman does pick up some attention, a crowd, so I don't think employing the second track would be a significant waste of resources. I heard they stopped racing it because there were problems with blackouts in the Valley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
netdvn Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 ^^ I don't think that B&M would do a contract like that unless they paid AB a TON of money. They'd lose out on some potential profit if another chain decides to build a DM. I do know that, but those use LIM propulsion and not Hydraulic Propulsion, the chances of a rollback or stall are much higher with hydraulic launches, LIMs not so much Rollbacks probably won't be as big of a problem as stalling in the top hat would because riders can be easily unloaded... Would it? And the only Hydraulic launch coaster that I can think of stalled is TTD, which stalled three times so the chances of a hydraulic launcher to stall in the top hat is still fairly small... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atem122 Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 ^Stealth has at least twice as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCFreak Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 I do know that, but those use LIM propulsion and not Hydraulic Propulsion, the chances of a rollback or stall are much higher with hydraulic launches, LIMs not so much You can take a lot more G's on your butt then on your shoulders (generalization) so they would easily launch a train fast enough to not even worry about the possibility of a rollback if it were inverted. It doesn't matter at all what type of propulsion they use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atem122 Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 ^that is a valid point, but even with that the motor could fail in the worst case scenario Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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