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I'm impressed SFMM was able to keep the full year-round thing going for so long. It always seemed like a terrible idea, but I took advantage of it often and would time my visits on days when I knew the place would be a ghost town. I remember hearing that SFFT was also open "year round," only to discover that meant "weekends only" for chunks of the year ‚ÄĒ days I try to avoid. Kudos to SFMM for keeping this up (along with dirt-cheap passes) for as long as they did, and I hope they put a moose out front on days they're closed.

16 hours ago, jak146 said:

Can someone give me an idea of what the wait times are like for the mazes?  How many can you get through in a night?

There are all kinds of variable involved, from the day you visit to proximity to Halloween. It's nothing like Universal where you can find lines hitting 2+ hours, but it can get pretty slammed. I don't think I've ever waited more than 30 minutes, even on busy nights. Many will be a walk-through if you time things well and are there for the SFMM equivalent of "rope drop" (in the Full Thröttle plaza area).

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Theme Park Review was invited to Six Flags Magic Mountain Fright Fest!

SFMM delayed the media night a week, which would now be the third weekend Fright Fest has been offered.  Finally, after some delay, weeks and even hours last night, their new maze, Truth or Dare opened.  The night started with Spirits with Spirits, a new food and drink option.  "A haunted happy hour with spirits of both natures and devilish treats to die for. Buffet +1 drink included. 6-9pm each Fright Fest night in the West Picnic Pavilion. Additional fee required. Park admission not included."   cost is $59.99 and for anyone who have attended West Coast Bash, they use the same picnic area.

Couldn't spend too much time eating our first round because we wanted to get over to DC Universe for Unleashed.  The monsters come out in smaller waves this year.  So, it's not just one big parade.  I think I like when they all just come out all at once. 

CarnivHell is a new scarezone in Bugs Bunny land.   Honestly, it was very lacking in scare actors.  I think there were 3 when I walked through.  Hopefully that changes in the coming weeks.  

I'm not sure if they are still working on Truth or Dare.  I'd have to guess it's not complete?  There are a lot of blank walls.  But some good scares and it has one of those laser fog rooms.  I think those are so cool visually.   There's a section with a long area of strobe light that completely got me lost for a moment.  I'm still shocked I just didn't walk into a scare actor or the wall.  

Condamned was my favorite maze this year.  It had the most scare actors inside at the time I walked through.   Aftermath 2 is always fun too because FIRE!  Who doesn't love fire?  :) 

Anyway, had a Six Flags day!  While Fright Fest doesn't have or doesn't spend the budget as some of the other haunts, I still have fun.  The scare actors are awesome as usual and it's a fun vibe with GP types staying around since you can still experience a lot without doing the mazes.

 

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Planning on going to the park on Thursday October 5th. I was wondering what I should expect for crowds and if a flash pass is necessary? I know the park is only open until 5 pm, wanna make sure I can get several sides and the major coaster. My only previous visit was back in spring of 2018, however Twisted Colossus and Superman Krypton were both closed. Would appreciate any advice. The price of the platinum flash pass for $180 a day for only 6 1/2 hours of operation is ridiculous.... 

 

Also, I saw on screamscape that some of the coaster have been closed quite often during week days (ex: full throttle and superman krypton). Can anyone confirm/clear this up, along with any current rides that have been down/not operaitonal for a while?

 

Thanks in advance!

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I was at the park today, and even though the park was open at 10:30, by 11:30, there were 23 rides still closed on the app, and only 15 rides (5 of which were kiddie rides) were open.  It was one of the worst ops I've ever experienced at SFMM.

Closed rides included:  Goliath, Drop of Doom, Buccaneer, Swashbuckler, Full Throttle, X2, Viper, Jet Stream, Scream (which the entire pathway to it was blocked off, implying it wasn't going to open at all), Wonder Woman, JL, Crazanity, WCR, Apocalypse, Ninja, and Superman.  The last three were going to be closed all day, the entire top of the mountain was closed.  Crazanity had a crane on site and a motor seemed to be on the ground.

To their very small credit, by the time I left around noon, a few of those rides finally managed to open (as far as I could tell:  Goliath, Ninja, FT, Viper, Buccaneer, and JL). 

If you're going on a weekday, you shouldn't need Flashpass.  But expect many closed rides, particularly: Superman, Ninja, and Apocalypse, which now only seem to operate on weekends.

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On 9/22/2022 at 1:38 PM, jak146 said:

Can someone give me an idea of what the wait times are like for the mazes?  How many can you get through in a night?

Like most things, it really depends on the day.  I went on a Friday night and the longest I waited for anything was like 5 minutes.  It will get busier as it gets closer to Halloween though, and I've seen maze lines get into the 30-40 min range in previous years.

If you can swing a Friday off of work, that's really the best option.  Get there in the afternoon to hit a few coasters while the lines are still dead, then spend the evening doing mazes and a couple of night rides if you have the time.

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8 hours ago, ryder said:

I was at the park today, and even though the park was open at 10:30, by 11:30, there were 23 rides still closed on the app, and only 15 rides (5 of which were kiddie rides) were open.  It was one of the worst ops I've ever experienced at SFMM.

Closed rides included:  Goliath, Drop of Doom, Buccaneer, Swashbuckler, Full Throttle, X2, Viper, Jet Stream, Scream (which the entire pathway to it was blocked off, implying it wasn't going to open at all), Wonder Woman, JL, Crazanity, WCR, Apocalypse, Ninja, and Superman.  The last three were going to be closed all day, the entire top of the mountain was closed.  Crazanity had a crane on site and a motor seemed to be on the ground.

To their very small credit, by the time I left around noon, a few of those rides finally managed to open (as far as I could tell:  Goliath, Ninja, FT, Viper, Buccaneer, and JL). 

If you're going on a weekday, you shouldn't need Flashpass.  But expect many closed rides, particularly: Superman, Ninja, and Apocalypse, which now only seem to operate on weekends.

Jesus Christ... that's definitely the worst I've ever seen from MM.  The sign at Superman says that it only runs during Fright Fest, but it was closed the whole time I was there.  Same with Lex and Scream.

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We went to the park yesterday for the first time in years. It was a pretty huge shitshow.

By park close, "only" Crazanity, Scream, Ninja, Superman, X2 and Drop of Doom (or whatever it's called) and about half of the smaller rides remained closed for the entire day, but every major ride that wasn't up front opened around 2 despite a 6pm close. This included the brand new ride. The only exceptions were Goliath, Riddler and Batman that ran all day for some reason.

Also, the rapids and the only indoor air conditioned restaurant were closed for the entire day. It was 102 degrees.

As for positive things to say? Uh... the mountains are pretty and Tatsu exists. That's all I've got.

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Controversial opinion... Magic Mountain is the new Geauga Lake and has outgrown its ability to support itself.  It has the world record for most coasters in a park and all those coasters need crews, but it's too far away and pays too little to be an attractive job opportunity like Disney or Universal.  Couple that with the fact that attendance fluctuates so wildly, and the park cuts staffing to the barest of minimums in order to make any money. 

 

Now add on top of all that... next year, more than half of the park's coasters will be 20+ years old.  In 2024, it's going to have five coasters that are 30+ years old.  It's going to be interesting to see what the next 10 years looks like for this park.  I don't think they're going to downsize, but I would certainly understand it if they did.

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1 hour ago, CedarFlags said:

 It's going to be interesting to see what the next 10 years looks like for this park.

Maybe corporate is banking on the park burning to the ground with the rest of California and then taking the insurance money for bonuses.

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4 hours ago, CedarFlags said:

Controversial opinion... Magic Mountain is the new Geauga Lake and has outgrown its ability to support itself.  It's too far away and pays too little to be an attractive job opportunity like Disney or Universal,  Couple that with the fact that attendance fluctuates so wildly, and the park cuts staffing to the barest of minimums in order to make any money.  And couple that with the fact that it has the world record for most coasters in a park, and all those coasters need crews.

Now add on top of all that... next year, more than half of the park's coasters will be 20+ years old.  In 2024, it's going to have five coasters that are 30+ years old.  It's going to be interesting to see what the next 10 years looks like for this park.  I don't think they're going to downsize, but I would certainly understand it if they did.

That's not controversial at all. I'd actually say SFMM is the next CGA. In 10 years it will be sold and closed.

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33 minutes ago, Manic Monte said:

That's not controversial at all. I'd actually say SFMM is the next CGA. In 10 years it will be sold and closed.

Except that the land that SFMM sits on is hardly as in high demand as CGA's.  Don't get me wrong, I'm with you that SFMM is circling the drain, but not for the same reasons as CGA.

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12 hours ago, Manic Monte said:

That's not controversial at all. I'd actually say SFMM is the next CGA. In 10 years it will be sold and closed.

Cedar Fair tried on multiple occasions in the past to sell GCA. Even at Six Flag's worst times MM has never been offered for sale 

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29 minutes ago, grsupercity said:

Cedar Fair tried on multiple occasions in the past to sell GCA. Even at Six Flag's worst times MM has never been offered for sale 

Ehh....not exactly.

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2006 attempted sale

On June 22, 2006, Six Flags, Inc. announced that it was exploring options for six of its parks, including Magic Mountain and its neighboring water park, Hurricane Harbor. Though management said closing the park was unlikely, rumors still began that the park could be sold to real estate developers, with an intent to close the park and build housing developments in the area.[10] Park officials cited dwindling attendance due to rowdy behavior among some of the park-goers (notably gang members and other teenagers and young adults, who account for a large percentage of the park's attendance[citation needed]) as reasons for wanting to sell the park while management was wanting to move Six Flags into more of a family park direction. Throughout the Six Flags chain, attendance in the second quarter of 2006 was 14 percent lower than it was in the second quarter of 2005.

By the fall of 2006, Six Flags announced that Magic Mountain was still up for sale. They also stated, however, that it would be sold to a company that would continue to operate it as a park, and that closing Magic Mountain was not a possibility. Cedar Fair, Anheuser-Busch, and several others considered buying the park but none of the offers came close to the asking price.

When Six Flags announced which parks it was selling in January 2007, Magic Mountain was no longer one of them. The company decided not to sell Magic Mountain and its adjacent water park. Spokeswoman Wendy Goldberg said that upon further evaluation, the company decided that the Los Angeles parks remained too valuable to relinquish, as sales were increasing, and that the park would not be sold. Other parks were sold as a package and remained open.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Flags_Magic_Mountain#2006_attempted_sale

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Magic Mountain doesn't exist in a vacuum. I'd be worried about it if these kings of things were only happening there, but operationally the chain as-a-whole is in the worst place it's been in in about 15 years. The CEO miscalculated and nobody is coming to the parks so they're scrambling to cut budget, making the product worse which makes the prices even more insane and hard for people to justify and the cycle is going to continue until someone else takes over.

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Alright, so I'm not a business major but I do have plenty of life experience as well as a pretty strong background in ticket sales for events.  If Six Flags were to drop admission to like $20 for one day the parks would be absolutely inundated with customers.

A theater I used to work for sold tickets for anywhere from $50-$100 and we were averaging 150 seats sold per show.  We did a one-week promo for $15 tickets and we sold out of every performance offering that deal within 48 hours.

Unfortunately for everyone, though, the bean counters at practically every major leisure option break it down to profit per head.  They'd rather see one person pay $150 than ten people pay $15.  What they don't take into account is the fact that the one person who already spent $150 has no desire to spend any more money while the ten people who paid $15 have a decent amount of fun money left over to purchase food, drinks, and souvenirs.

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That's pretty much where Six Flags was under their previous leadership though, offering very cheap admission, memberships, etc, and while in general it seemed to work better than anything else in the last couple decades (comparing to the current situation, or the Snyder/Shapiro era...), that was where people started complaining about the crowds, six flags daycare, etc.  The new CEO had the brilliant idea of raising prices to bring in a "classier" crowd.  Results as seen. 

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And that's where my theory comes into play. I wasn't being facetious. If this isn't solved soon, the company will need an alternative cash flow to pay down debt. Bringing in a new CEO at this point may stop the bleeding, but won't heal the wound. I can't see a way out of this without selling some asset. With California currently being the absolute worst place to do business right now, to me this makes SFMM and SFDK the most vulnerable.

 

And I don't think anyone would miss either park 

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