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Did it ever receive a major refurb (ie., new trains, track rehab, etc.)? For a 23-year-old coaster, it's still incredibly smooth; I would venture to say it's the smoothest B&M in the park.

 

I personally find Tatsu to be smoother than Batman, but Batman is not rough by any means. Something about B&M Inverts make them stay smooth for a really long time and I have no idea why. It definitely is the hidden gem of the park that gets easily overshadowed by much more prominent rides. But like coasterbill said, that applies to every park with a Batman clone!

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I always thought the hidden gem was the Schwarzkopf... now that it's running shoulder bar free again. I guess the VR has not helped.

 

Hidden gem as in something very rare, unique and special. Revolution, Whizzer, Monte, Shockwave, Mind Bender, etc.

 

The Batmen are excellent intensity, power packed mini machines that always deliver a great ride.

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I guess I'm that "guilty party", that simply doesn't "appreciate" the Batman clones like I'm apparently supposed to...

 

I think they're fun, intense rides, that place solidly in the upper middle class of my coaster rankings. However, nothing about them makes them stand out as exemplary, or particularly exciting or notable, in comparison with other B&M Inverts I've been on. I prefer even Silver Bullet, for instance, due to its location in the park. Nothing against the Batman rides, and frankly, nothing to do with me being an "enthusiast"... Just personal preference really, and what types of things make one coaster experience more interesting, thrilling, or exciting than another for me personally. To each their own though! They are super intense, which is why I think a lot of people may love them, but they actually get marked down for that by me. The B&M Inverts with the most extreme forces, tend to be the ones further down on my personal list. Banshee, Alpengeist, and Montu are my personal top 3, and while Montu has some really strong forces, most people would classify the first two on that list as more "meandering" in nature. Raptor, while I enjoy it, is at its best during the first half in my opinion, while many love its intense finale the best, which I think is its worst (with that being a relative term - since the whole coaster is great still) part. Again, it's all about personal preference, really...

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I always thought the hidden gem was the Schwarzkopf... now that it's running shoulder bar free again. I guess the VR has not helped.

Revolution with lap bars definitely is a hidden gem. For about a month following the end of HITP, Revolution ran without VR. Even on crowded days, it was a station wait, at most. I used these opportunities to ride it, and I really enjoyed it.

 

The new restraints are much more pleasant than OTSRs. It's surrounded by old pine trees, giving the feeling of driving through the forest. It would be much more pleasant if they'd do away with some of the trim brakes (such as the stomach-punching, hard trim brake as you exit the tunnel), but overall, I thought it was a great ride.

 

Sadly, the VR means 5-minute dispatches, and hour+ waits, even on relatively slow days. I wish SFMM would take a note from Cedar Point's playbook, and only run the VR during certain parts of the day.

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Speaking of B&M's, when did Scream get so freakin' rough? I rode it on Thursday and the rattle at the bottom of the first drop was so bad it ruined the rest of the ride for me. And the worst part is it isn't head banging that's the problem, but that the whole train seems to vibrate. I'd almost rather have head banging since at least you can try and brace yourself for that.

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Speaking of B&M's, when did Scream get so freakin' rough? I rode it on Thursday and the rattle at the bottom of the first drop was so bad it ruined the rest of the ride for me. And the worst part is it isn't head banging that's the problem, but that the whole train seems to vibrate. I'd almost rather have head banging since at least you can try and brace yourself for that.

 

Since... forever. I first rode it in 2010 and it is still just as rattly today as it was back then... even on the "refurbished" blue and orange train. If you get a full train of riders and sit in the front row on a nice warm day, it can be alright. But the number of bad rides I've had far outweigh the number of good rides. Even though they have the exact same layout, I MUCH prefer Bizarro at SFGAdv.

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I really don't get the complaints about Scream (except for the ones about the aesthetics... those I get, lol). Even the "roughest" B&M floorless / sit down is still a ridiculously smooth and enjoyable coaster.

 

To each his own, I guess. I actually like Viper quite a bit more than Scream, oddly enough.

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Speaking of B&M's, when did Scream get so freakin' rough? I rode it on Thursday and the rattle at the bottom of the first drop was so bad it ruined the rest of the ride for me. And the worst part is it isn't head banging that's the problem, but that the whole train seems to vibrate. I'd almost rather have head banging since at least you can try and brace yourself for that.

It's been garbage since the beginning, though it has gotten worse over the years. I just flat out refuse to ride it anymore. The crazy part is, the one at Gradv is butter smooth. Not sure where they went wrong...

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I used to enjoy Scream when it was smooth, even as recent as 2014. But on my last couple trips it has been surprisingly pretty brutal and I don't really care to ride it on future trips.

 

Same! I don't know what could have caused this, but the comfort and fun level has dropped a LOT.

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I ride Scream every single visit and I have yet to deal with what I'd consider a bad ride on Scream. Maybe because I exclusively ride in the front row only? I think it's a good coaster and better than a handful of other coasters in the park, including Riddler's Revenge. Not the smoothest coaster but I've found the vibrations and headbanging to be pretty minimal.

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I ride Scream every single visit and I have yet to deal with what I'd consider a bad ride on Scream. Maybe because I exclusively ride in the front row only? I think it's a good coaster and better than a handful of other coasters in the park, including Riddler's Revenge.

 

Agreed. And you probably don't find it rough because it isn't.

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I ride Scream every single visit and I have yet to deal with what I'd consider a bad ride on Scream. Maybe because I exclusively ride in the front row only? I think it's a good coaster and better than a handful of other coasters in the park, including Riddler's Revenge. Not the smoothest coaster but I've found the vibrations and headbanging to be pretty minimal.

 

i need to give it a ride next time i'm there. last time i remember thinking, is that the rattle everyone's talking about? lol i usually skip it because i'd rather do another lap on TC instead.

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I ride Scream every single visit and I have yet to deal with what I'd consider a bad ride on Scream. Maybe because I exclusively ride in the front row only? I think it's a good coaster and better than a handful of other coasters in the park, including Riddler's Revenge.

 

Agreed. And you probably don't find it rough because it isn't.

 

When's the last time you made it out this way and rode it? I ask because usually I agree with you on these things but I've found Scream to be pretty rough on my last two visits over then past 14 months when I never thought it was rough in the past.

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For me, it's always been the bottom of the first drop on Scream that's been the killer. It gets some nice vibration down there which always gives me an instant headache. I don't mind rough rides at all, it's just those rides that have heavy vibration that you can't brace for that really kills the fun for me. The worst B&M in this respect that I've ridden was Silver Star in 2015; that was really jackhammer-y.

 

With that said, I too prefer Bizarro over Scream, and by a wide margin. Granted it's been a while since I've been on Bizarro but now I avoid Scream when I choose to actually ride some coasters at the park.

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With that said, I too prefer Bizarro over Scream, and by a wide margin. Granted it's been a while since I've been on Bizarro but now I avoid Scream when I choose to actually ride some coasters at the park.

It's almost uncanny how much better Bizarro is, it was my favorite floorless 'til I rode Superman Krypton.

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^^^Full disclosure, it was 2-3 years ago, but back then everyone was talking about how rough it was ad nauseum just like they are now. Before riding it we were prepared for the worst but we honestly thought it rode exactly like Bizarro and the only difference was how incredibly ugly it was and how ridiculous it was that there were still visible parking spaces under the ride.

 

So I guess it's theoretically possible that the ride has become significantly rougher over the last few years but the complaints about roughness on Scream are in no way a new phenomenon. These complaints have existed since the day the ride opened so until I actually ride it again I'm kind of assuming those complaints belong in the same category as the complaints about B&M rattle and roughness on other B&M's like Kumba, Alpengeist, Rougarou, etc. Maybe it's actually gotten significantly rougher but that's pretty unprecedented for a B&M.

 

My guess is that either

 

1) It hasn't actually gotten rougher and people are bitches

 

2) It has some bad wheels and Six Flags sucks at switching out bad B&M wheels. There have been times where certain Nitro trains were running like a jackhammer with square wheels while the other ones felt like you were floating on a cloud and in plenty of cases it was months before they bothered to swap them out. Given the complaints about general shakiness instead of normal headbanging and the fact that it's worse at the bottom of the drop where the train would be at it's fastest speed I feel like this is absolutely the case and it'll be fixed eventually but for now I chalk it up to Six Flags being Six Flags.

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2) It has some bad wheels and Six Flags sucks at switching out bad B&M wheels. There have been times where certain Nitro trains were running like a jackhammer with square wheels while the other ones felt like you were floating on a cloud and in plenty of cases it was months before they bothered to swap them out. Given the complaints about general shakiness instead of normal headbanging and the fact that it's worse at the bottom of the drop where the train would be at it's fastest speed I feel like this is absolutely the case and it'll be fixed eventually but for now I chalk it up to Six Flags being Six Flags.

 

I'm guessing this was the case for me. My last two trips were in February and September of last year and I rode it once each time. Both times were pretty bad when in the past it was a smooth ride. So it's possible that I happened to be on a train with bad wheels or in a bad seat or something. Regardless, it's just not one of the better coasters in the park even on a good day so I don't have much interest to ride anymore, especially with TC next door.

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I still prefer Scream to Riddler's Revenge. And while I do notice that the ride has become significantly more uncomfortable recently, as long as it has a short line, I'll still ride it. Somehow, I actually experienced head banging on Riddler's Revenge when I rode it in January.

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