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...instead of a new ride we got Green Lantern...

Interesting.

 

Ha, I knew someone would mention this. If you look at the thread I was responding to he clearly didn't consider Green Lantern as a "new" ride. There are arguments as to whether it is more of a glorified flat ride than a roller coaster, but the spirit of the conversation was about the addition of full featured 'best in class style' rollercoasters. Like Tatsu.

 

Honestly I think it's a bit unfair given how new TC really is, and full throttle, but I was trying to address the conversation on his terms.

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...instead of a new ride we got Green Lantern...

Interesting.

 

Ha, I knew someone would mention this. If you look at the thread I was responding to he clearly didn't consider Green Lantern as a "new" ride. There are arguments as to whether it is more of a glorified flat ride than a roller coaster, but the spirit of the conversation was about the addition of full featured 'best in class style' rollercoasters. Like Tatsu.

 

Honestly I think it's a bit unfair given how new TC really is, and YOLOcoaster, but I was trying to address the conversation on his terms.

 

No doubt GL was a new ride and TC and FT are great rides. But like we both said, it feels like it has been ages since they've done something brand new that I feel is truly extraordinary like Tatsu. However, I will gladly take all of the things you mentioned in your other post because it makes the park better as a whole.

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Why didn't six flags have TC simply stop a car before the second lift until a car catches up? Best way to get TC to duel

 

That was an option, but it was decided by the park management that it would decrease the capacity too much. That extra 10-20 seconds doesn't seem like a lot in the course of one cycle, but over an entire operating day could decrease the ridership by close to 1000 guests. They knew it would be popular and the line would be crazy, so they did what they could do (cheaply) to mitigate it. More trains and a double station would have been the best idea for capacity, but it's a less practical option for the park as a business, so I can't really fault them for not going that route.

 

 

instead, they just slowed the green side even more. when there's a chance that side goes so slow, i'm not sure it's worth it anymore. i'd almost just rather jam up both sides and go solo and have the line move even faster.

 

btw, they tried to do some dueling during the commercial shoot by stopping the green side. i don't they ever got it lined up when i was riding and they did that.

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^ JT, I was there on media day, and on the first train out. I rode it 24 times, and I would say the dueling occurred 90% of the time. They didn't want us to get off the train for quite sometime, and I was good with that.

 

The dueling can occur, but they need to slow down the side 2 more than they do. It's a great ride, but when they duel it's extraordinary!

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Does anyone know when Spring Break is officially over in this area? Los Angeles? I plan on hitting the park AFTER the masses go back to school. Should be ok after that. Any info helps. THX!

 

i usually guess by the park hours. they are open until 9pm this week, then until 8pm for a couple weeks. april 12th they start to close at 6pm. i'd guess that's when it will slow down some.

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Busy and windy at the Mountain today. Rides closed all day were: X, Scream, and Ninja. Lex Luthor closed for the wind and didn't reopen for the rest of the day. Superman was sending cars on the right side, but they were empty toward the end of the day. Still wasn't making it all the way to the top.

 

Did anyone else know about the re-branding of Orient Express? Will Six Flags ever have a promotional tie-in that isn't TACKY AS ALL HELL?

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Speaking of tacky... RIP to the Batman Action Theater. Your delightful tackiness will be missed. I didn't realize until I saw it all cleared out just how much space the theater took up. There's definitely room for a cool new something. A Justice League ride would be super cool, but with the long lines today, the lack of entertainment options at the park was especially conspicuous.

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Today could have been a better day at the park, buuut... it's hard to stay mad at that view.

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^ Interesting. I didn't realize SFMM closed rides for wind. I'm particularly surprised by Scream being closed.

As far as I know, Lex was the only ride closed specifically for wind. Which wasn't all the surprising, since a lot of vertical tower rides don't operate in high wind. That kind of thing is usually set by the manufacturer of the attraction based on the way it was engineered. The weird part was that Superman was still running, even though the two rides share a structure.

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^ Interesting. I didn't realize SFMM closed rides for wind. I'm particularly surprised by Scream being closed.

As far as I know, Lex was the only ride closed specifically for wind. Which wasn't all the surprising, since a lot of vertical tower rides don't operate in high wind. That kind of thing is usually set by the manufacturer of the attraction based on the way it was engineered. The weird part was that Superman was still running, even though the two rides share a structure.

 

 

i wouldn't really think either of those rides would be affected by wind really. of course i'm just a keyboard ride engineer. lol

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X2 is one of the first rides to close because of high winds, and for good reason. Scream also closes fast because the wind can really whip through the parking lot. Lex closes fast, maybe even faster than X2 in some cases. Yolo also closes decently fast in the wind because of roll backs and the increased risk of getting stuck on or above the loop.

 

It takes a little more to close Goliath and Tatsu but they can close in high winds (Goliath because of its location and Tatsu more so because of the chance of valleying in the pretzel loop). Of course, most importantly, Sky Tower closes in high winds to everyone's dismay.

 

Needless to say, if you're visiting the park on a windy day, expect X2 and Lex to be closed and a lot of other rides to be hit or miss. I honestly don't know how Twisted Colossus fares in the wind but I suppose hearing nothing is better than something.

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^ Interesting. I didn't realize SFMM closed rides for wind. I'm particularly surprised by Scream being closed.

 

X2's train essentially acts as a giant sail in high winds and can be prone to valleying, especially towards the top of the first raven turn when the train is perpendicular to the ground. Scream has always closed in high winds since it opened, like MagicMountainMan said above me it's probably due to the ride's location, as well the openness of the floorless trains.

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Why didn't six flags have TC simply stop a car before the second lift until a car catches up? Best way to get TC to duel

 

That was an option, but it was decided by the park management that it would decrease the capacity too much. That extra 10-20 seconds doesn't seem like a lot in the course of one cycle, but over an entire operating day could decrease the ridership by close to 1000 guests. They knew it would be popular and the line would be crazy, so they did what they could do (cheaply) to mitigate it. More trains and a double station would have been the best idea for capacity, but it's a less practical option for the park as a business, so I can't really fault them for not going that route.

 

Twisted Colossus is one of the best ride experiences in So-Cal when the trains are dueling -- period. When I rode it during the video shoots, it really was fantastic how the trains interacted, and made for one of the best rides I EVER had on a roller coaster. Complete strangers conglomerating and screaming together up the lift, reaching for eachothers hands during the high five and top gun elements, it was phenomenal.

 

lol @ park managements decisions. lol @ "this park cares about capacity." Is that the same way they care about capacity while running 1 train on a major attraction during a Summer day when there's cars parked out to the dirt lots? The excuses this park comes up with why they're not performing in the form of "looking out for the guest and capacity" is an astounding illusion that people for some reason continue to buy into.

 

Honestly, I would rather sit at the left side of TC lifthill at a standstill, waiting for the guests to enter the train, for the ride ops to dispatch the train, to alllow for a dueling experience to happen, than to let the trains go hog wild, then let a double stack happen on a 6 minute ride because the park doesn't know how to take charge of guests or deal with a 60 second dispatch.

 

*GWARGH!* *reaches to the sky*

 

I am so over the excuses this park comes up with in the name of their cheapskate tactics and terrible operations. Especially because they only have themselves to blame. They've been doing this for over 50 years, you'd thing they could figure it out by now. But no, they're fine with skating by with mediocrity for some reason, and with me, the excuses just don't work anymore.

 

/rant

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Does anyone know when Spring Break is officially over in this area? Los Angeles? I plan on hitting the park AFTER the masses go back to school. Should be ok after that. Any info helps. THX!

 

Should be packed until April 2nd. April 12th is soonest time I would go for low crowds.

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Here are all the pins that SFMM has released so far along with the lanyard and special pins that only come with the lanyard. The cars on each of the roller coaster pins move which is a cool feature. I hope they don't go too crazy with these or this may end up being an expensive collection. lol

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Lanyard Set

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Special Lanyard Pins

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Old School Pin with old Logo

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Twisted Colossus

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Tatsu

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Viper

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X2

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Goliath

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The New Revolution

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Twisted Colossus - Dueling

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Full Throttle

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Yolo also closes decently fast in the wind because of roll backs and the increased risk of getting stuck on or above the loop.

 

That's interesting, cuz I never saw a break in Yolo's operation throughout the day. I wonder if the direction of the wind matters for that ride?

 

 

Also, another piece of info I forgot to mention.... Batman has a grouper assigning rows again. I was thinking to myself how stupid it was that the "No preferred seating" sign has never come down, and then I turned the corner and saw it being relevant again.

 

And I'm still batting zero for racing TC on the green side. I think I've now been on 7 times total... 2 races on blue (plus one where we were about 1 train length behind), and none on green. What's the secret!?!?

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And I'm still batting zero for racing TC on the green side. I think I've now been on 7 times total... 2 races on blue (plus one where we were about 1 train length behind), and none on green. What's the secret!?!?

 

200+ rides and luck, or say that when the other train is within 2-3 train lengths that it dueled.

 

but seriously, i've been on a lot, and i've only dual dueled like 2-3 times. many kind of close, like a train length, but that's not a duel to me.

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Why didn't six flags have TC simply stop a car before the second lift until a car catches up? Best way to get TC to duel

 

I've asked the same ? each and every time I've been to the park since TC opened...I think I actually wrote it on a card during WCB but probably left before it was answered...I understand the capacity argument except they don't ever follow that same logic anywhere...ever...it also seems like a fix they could put into place now if they really wanted to and could avoid the endless complaints they must hear...(I know, they can't hear...)...sigh...

 

I've been somewhat lucky on duels...but not of late...it feels as if they've given up on that concept which I believe was predicted almost one year ago...

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honestly, i'm just glad it's still running 3 trains.

 

This. Twisted Colossus is fantastic when it duels, but it's still a great ride when it doesn't. As long as SFMM continues to run 3 trains, I'm happy. The ride is a disaster with only 2 trains.

 

Yes, dueling is a big part of the ride's design, but as long as 3 trains are on the track, I'm satisfied.

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Been on TC twice...i only go to park maybe 3-4 times a year,and i live 10 minutes away, idk how you guys go so much, i would get burnt out on the same rides so fast, oh well thats not the point...1st time raced on the blue side 2nd time dueled both laps

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honestly, i'm just glad it's still running 3 trains.

 

This. Twisted Colossus is fantastic when it duels, but it's still a great ride when it doesn't. As long as SFMM continues to run 3 trains, I'm happy. The ride is a disaster with only 2 trains.

 

Yes, dueling is a big part of the ride's design, but as long as 3 trains are on the track, I'm satisfied.

Has it ever run only two trains? I thought I read that they always have three running and the fourth in the maintenance shop. Is that not true?

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honestly, i'm just glad it's still running 3 trains.

 

This. Twisted Colossus is fantastic when it duels, but it's still a great ride when it doesn't. As long as SFMM continues to run 3 trains, I'm happy. The ride is a disaster with only 2 trains.

 

Yes, dueling is a big part of the ride's design, but as long as 3 trains are on the track, I'm satisfied.

Has it ever run only two trains? I thought I read that they always have three running and the fourth in the maintenance shop. Is that not true?

 

I can't remember exactly when (maybe November or December), but there was a very short period of time where it ran two. It was inconsistent and maybe only for a few days, but I remember reading about it on Instagram.

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honestly, i'm just glad it's still running 3 trains.

 

This. Twisted Colossus is fantastic when it duels, but it's still a great ride when it doesn't. As long as SFMM continues to run 3 trains, I'm happy. The ride is a disaster with only 2 trains.

 

Yes, dueling is a big part of the ride's design, but as long as 3 trains are on the track, I'm satisfied.

Has it ever run only two trains? I thought I read that they always have three running and the fourth in the maintenance shop. Is that not true?

 

I can't remember exactly when (maybe November or December), but there was a very short period of time where it ran two. It was inconsistent and maybe only for a few days, but I remember reading about it on Instagram.

Ouch. Glad that didn't last very long. Three already seems to me to be bare minimum given what the ride does.

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