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there is a second outer bank turn it appears,as the green going into the brakes has a new added hill!!!

The angle of ascent into the brake run on the green side looks sharper than the vid. Hopefully that translates into a pop of air at the end.

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there is a second outer bank turn it appears,as the green going into the brakes has a new added hill!!!

 

There is a small dip between the top of the hill and the start of the brakes. There's no additional outside bank on the green side.

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Looks like a nice mix of floater and ejector airtime on this ride. Couldn't be happier that they didn't go nuts on inversions on this ride.

 

AGREED! One inversion for each side is perfect. SFMM is already WAY too inversion heavy.

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I was at the park again today and it was empty. I got 47 rides today. I even saw a YOLO rollback, as I was next in line for the front car! I guess that was a "Half Throttle" launch.

 

Take this for what it's worth. I saw 2 maintenance men on the top of Goliath's lift hill this morning. I'm hoping that's a good sign that it might be running before the estimated 2 month wait I've been hearing.

 

RMC working hard on TC all day.

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Your obsession with MM, and lack of pictures, continues to disappoint me, Sir. C'mon, you're there all the time and love the place - take some pictures!

 

Is the fear in not having a backup chain ALWAYS on hand that the park fears that if they purchase one now, and end up removing the ride prior to it being needed, that they'll have 'wasted' the investment? Is there really a chance that a coaster like Goliath would be torn down....and even if it was, would it not be sold/relocated (with the extra chain included/paid for)?

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Your obsession with MM, and lack of pictures, continues to disappoint me, Sir. C'mon, you're there all the time and love the place - take some pictures!

 

Is the fear in not having a backup chain ALWAYS on hand that the park fears that if they purchase one now, and end up removing the ride prior to it being needed, that they'll have 'wasted' the investment? Is there really a chance that a coaster like Goliath would be torn down....and even if it was, would it not be sold/relocated (with the extra chain included/paid for)?

 

For the most part, it doesn't make sense to buy parts you don't think you will need. If you think you will you will try to forecast and procure for when that time will come Otherwise you are just spending money and it costs money to keep something in inventory

 

Can't wait to see more Twisted Colossus footage!

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There's a lot of variables involved.

 

A lift chain is definitely not something you expect to give out before it needs to be replaced, but on the flip side...If you also know that there is a huge lead time for a replacement, you have to make a tough decision: pay more upfront for something you might not need, or pay even more and have to wait a long time when you do end up needing it.

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Kinda makes me wonder who handles parts and/or equipment for a ride like Goliath where the manufacturer is out of business. Do other manufacturers handle things like lift chains (ie B&M or Intamin) or are parts handled by third party people?

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I was at the park again today and it was empty. I got 47 rides today. I even saw a YOLO rollback, as I was next in line for the front car! I guess that was a "Half Throttle" launch.

 

47 rides?!

 

I guess Spring Break crowds are over? How empty are we talking about? I plan to go Wednesday.

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Yes it was absolutely empty today, wish I could ride some rides while I'm there...

 

RMC and the contractors have really kicked it in to high gear this last week. The only thing that isn't done now on the blue side is the inversion!

 

I don't want to curse it but I'm thinking Memorial Day weekend is more than possible for opening. *knocks on wood*

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Kinda makes me wonder who handles parts and/or equipment for a ride like Goliath where the manufacturer is out of business. Do other manufacturers handle things like lift chains (ie B&M or Intamin) or are parts handled by third party people?

 

B&M, Intamin, Zierer, etc use 3rd party vendors for various components. Magic Mountain most likely purchases from a chain vendor that also supplies B&M with their chains. And as others have said, you don't want an excess inventory of parts. For example, back in the 1980's Knott's purchased a DC motor that drives the rear cable tensioner of Montezooma's Revenge that's responsible for returning the "Bob" to the station after a launch. They didn't need it until 2007/2008, so that was money sitting on the shelf for 20 something years.

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^That makes sense, so then the question it comes down to is whether liquidity of that cash is worth the possibility of one of your major attractions being down for weeks or months of the year.

 

With Zoom, i can see why that doesn't make sense. But if I were a manager at SFMM, I'm not sure I would be comfortable with the possibility of having X2 down for nearly 6 months, or Goliath for who knows how long. Obviously you can't prepare for every possible situation, but if you know that the chain you use will take months to be manufactured, delivered, and installed, it may be worth the risk aversion.

 

I'm not saying that's what they should do, because I don't know all the costs and what the rest of their financial situation is like. But I would have to be convinced that the odds of this happening are insanely low, and that the downsides to having extra parts on hand were high enough to outweigh the possibility of going through the bulk of the season without one of the star attractions.

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Your obsession with MM, and lack of pictures, continues to disappoint me, Sir. C'mon, you're there all the time and love the place - take some pictures!

 

Is the fear in not having a backup chain ALWAYS on hand that the park fears that if they purchase one now, and end up removing the ride prior to it being needed, that they'll have 'wasted' the investment? Is there really a chance that a coaster like Goliath would be torn down....and even if it was, would it not be sold/relocated (with the extra chain included/paid for)?

 

Wait, time out. Did Goliath's lift chain actually break? When did this happen? All I've seen here is TC updates.

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I have a question. When a lift chain snaps. Are they able to change out the broken links. (If the chain is still in good shape) or is it manufactured in a way that the entire thing has to be replaced. Just curious...

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I have a question. When a lift chain snaps. Are they able to change out the broken links. (If the chain is still in good shape) or is it manufactured in a way that the entire thing has to be replaced. Just curious...

 

Depends on how many links are broken. If the chain is in bad shape in general then the entire thing will be replaced.

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I was at the park again today and it was empty. I got 47 rides today. I even saw a YOLO rollback, as I was next in line for the front car! I guess that was a "Half Throttle" launch.

 

47 rides?!

 

I guess Spring Break crowds are over? How empty are we talking about? I plan to go Wednesday.

 

Yes, I would say by yesterday's attendance spring break is over. Only 1 1/4 parking lots full.

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Kinda makes me wonder who handles parts and/or equipment for a ride like Goliath where the manufacturer is out of business. Do other manufacturers handle things like lift chains (ie B&M or Intamin) or are parts handled by third party people?

I'm guessing manufacturer, but, and I know its a wiki page, that page said Giovanola fashioned steel for Intamin and B&M behind the scenes, so that makes me wonder if they manufactured their own stuff too. Which now means they've got to get it done by a third party.

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With the frequency that I hear about chains breaking at parks all over the place, to me I consider the chain a wear and tear item. Not having a chain on hand is like not having extra wheels on hand. It's not going to last the life of the coaster, so unless it's a chain that can be easily obtained and replaced in a day or two, I want to have a spare on hand - especially if it's a high draw coaster and/or has a custom chain that would take a long time to replace. I wouldn't call having one extra chain on hand an excess of inventory.

 

For me looking from the outside in right now, if I were making that decision at SFMM I would definitely have spare chains for X2, Goliath, Green Lantern (Cause I'm sure that's a funky one), and TC. For TC I would still only keep one chain on hand even though there's two lifts - if one fails, replace it with the spare and order a new spare. Not likely both will fail simultaneously.

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A chain for X2 costs an exorbitant amount of money I'm sure so considering all of the budget constraints chain wide, having an item that expensive sitting in inventory is not a smart business move. Would it decrease an attraction downtime to have a spare chain on hand? Absolutely! Is it a smart business move? Nope!

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A chain for X2 costs an exorbitant amount of money I'm sure so considering all of the budget constraints chain wide, having an item that expensive sitting in inventory is not a smart business move. Would it decrease an attraction downtime to have a spare chain on hand? Absolutely! Is it a smart business move? Nope!

It's not as though there are a dozen 4D coasters in the Six Flags chain - this is the only one. If the chain breaks, they're going to have to purchase a new one anyway, the cost is likely to be the same. The difference is just having it on hand ahead of time and the difference will only be the cost of storage.

And how much money do you think that bad press, decreased attendance, and lost season pass sales at the park over a 6 month period as a result of their marquee attraction being unavailable cost them? I would guess more than the cost of storing the chain.

 

That's why I suggested X2 and Twisted Colossus have a spare chain, because they are marquee attractions for which their downtime will have a noticeable effect on the park's attendance (And Goliath to a lesser extent). I'd say YOLO, but it doesn't use a chain. If Viper or Revolution blow a chain and are out a month, their downtime doesn't have nearly as much of a financial effect on the park.

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