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The 2nd lift hill won't really be an issue. I believe someone else mentioned, The Beast has the train starting to go up the 2nd lift at a pretty decent speed and that has done that for 35 years now. I'm not quite sure what they have planned for the transition to the 2nd half now that it's been physically built and we can see that it's different compared to the animation. With variable frequency drives controlling the speed of lift hill chains these days, I don't think it'll be an issue or cause excess wear and tear. The train will speed up the lift and when it starts slowing down while on the chain, the chain dogs on the train will grab the chain and carry it up like normal. If the animation hold up in that perspective, the green side chain should only start about ¾ of the way up the lift so it doesn't start at the bottom like a regular lift hill.

 

I agree, doubt there is any issue here. I do believe that if this is a emergency block, that the chain will start at the bottom, unlike the video, so if it stops completely, it can of course pick up the train.

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I know I'm kinda late to the dining pass conversation. But I do have a question. This new "deluxe" dining pass. Is it automatically given to anyone who already has the membership plan, or is it something new or an upgrade that had to be purchased?

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I know I'm kinda late to the dining pass conversation. But I do have a question. This new "deluxe" dining pass. Is it automatically given to anyone who already has the membership plan, or is it something new or an upgrade that had to be purchased?

 

Automatically given.

 

Some new photos from Our Mountain from earlier today show that there is a walkway placed next to the straight piece of blue track before the second lift. I'm pretty sure this is indeed a brake run now.

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I know I'm kinda late to the dining pass conversation. But I do have a question. This new "deluxe" dining pass. Is it automatically given to anyone who already has the membership plan, or is it something new or an upgrade that had to be purchased?

 

Automatically given.

 

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Wow that's cool!!

 

I'm almost certain there will be no twist before that brake run. I think it will just come straight out of the reverse banked hill into that. Shame, cause that twist looked really neat. Glad to see more track placed though!

 

Yeah there was a twist and then a little airtime bump before flying up the lift. Looked really cool. Oh well. Still great to see so much going up now.

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Hey guys. Going to SFMM tomorrow for the first time in about 3 years. A few questions if you don't mind:

 

What's the best way to start at the park now? Should I make a straight line for X2 or does X2 have reasonable lines in the afternoon now? Same thing with Tatsu?

 

How long are the lines for Full Throttle usually? It wasn't in the park the last time I went (Was JUST starting construction)

 

How long are the lines for the Drop tower?

 

For those that go regularly, are a lot of rides closed right now? I understand Colossus is gone, but are there other rehabs I should know about? I saw somewhere Scream is getting repainted. Is closed right now too?

 

Any new/good places to eat around the park in the last 3 years?

 

How's the park doing now a days with general cleanliness and ride upkeep?

 

Lockers: Are they still a big thing on all the rides? Should I bring a lot of $1s with me?

 

Any other suggestions? I used to be a season pass holder at SFMM, going 7 or 8 times a year for years... but when they started putting advertisement skins ON the trains and wouldn't let you ride Terminator/Apocalypse with so much as a fanny pack (really guys? How is that different than a belt?) I got a little frustrated and haven't been back in years. It's time to make another run but I'm curious as to what I should be planning for.

 

Thanks!

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Hey guys. Going to SFMM tomorrow for the first time in about 3 years. A few questions if you don't mind:

 

What's the best way to start at the park now? Should I make a straight line for X2 or does X2 have reasonable lines in the afternoon now? Same thing with Tatsu?

 

How long are the lines for YOLOcoaster usually? It wasn't in the park the last time I went (Was JUST starting construction)

 

How long are the lines for the Drop tower?

 

For those that go regularly, are a lot of rides closed right now? I understand Colossus is gone, but are there other rehabs I should know about? I saw somewhere Scream is getting repainted. Is closed right now too?

 

Any new/good places to eat around the park in the last 3 years?

 

How's the park doing now a days with general cleanliness and ride upkeep?

 

fluffy, fluffy bunnies filled with medicine and goo: Are they still a big thing on all the rides? Should I bring a lot of $1s with me?

 

Any other suggestions? I used to be a season pass holder at SFMM, going 7 or 8 times a year for years... but when they started putting advertisement skins ON the trains and wouldn't let you ride Terminator/Apocalypse with so much as a fanny pack (really guys? How is that different than a belt?) I got a little frustrated and haven't been back in years. It's time to make another run but I'm curious as to what I should be planning for.

 

Thanks!

In my opinion it's best to start at YOLOCoaster, since the line for X2 will always die down at about 4-4:30 in the afternoon, YOLO's line sometimes dies but sometimes doesn't.

 

Lex Luthor's line is comprable to a mid-range coaster usually, but it has pretty good capacity and also has a single rider line so if you're solo or in a small group you can use it to cut the wait to 15 mins or less. Viper, Revolution, Green Lantern, and Riddlers also have Single Rider lines.

 

The only major attractions that are closed are Scream for repainting and the Sky Tower is still SBNO pending possible rehab. The entire Colossus County Fair area is closed for retheming. Ninja is still on one train due to the tree accident, we believe they're working on fixing another train.

 

Cleanliness is better in the last year from what I've heard. It's no Disney, but lately they seem to be making an effort to improve.

 

The improvement made in the last few years for fluffy bunnies is they now have electronic FBs where you get a code to use and you can take your stuff from one to another without paying for a second one. Still heavily enforced on X2 (And someone correct me if Im wrong I Think those are or were not connected to the others)

 

The fluffy bunny policies are only getting worse, especially with things like what was mentioned above with the guy dropping his hat, ignoring warnings and climbing over fences and suing the park when a train hits him.

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In my opinion it's best to start at YOLOCoaster, since the line for X2 will always die down at about 4-4:30 in the afternoon, YOLO's line sometimes dies but sometimes doesn't.

 

Lex Luthor's line is comprable to a mid-range coaster usually, but it has pretty good capacity and also has a single rider line so if you're solo or in a small group you can use it to cut the wait to 15 mins or less. Viper, Revolution, Green Lantern, and Riddlers also have Single Rider lines.

 

The only major attractions that are closed are Scream for repainting and the Sky Tower is still SBNO pending possible rehab. The entire Colossus County Fair area is closed for retheming. Ninja is still on one train due to the tree accident, we believe they're working on fixing another train.

 

Cleanliness is better in the last year from what I've heard. It's no Disney, but lately they seem to be making an effort to improve.

 

The improvement made in the last few years for fluffy bunnies is they now have electronic FBs where you get a code to use and you can take your stuff from one to another without paying for a second one. Still heavily enforced on X2 (And someone correct me if Im wrong I Think those are or were not connected to the others)

 

The fluffy bunny policies are only getting worse, especially with things like what was mentioned above with the guy dropping his hat, ignoring warnings and climbing over fences and suing the park when a train hits him.

 

 

Thanks! How bad is Throttle's line normally? We talking hours here? Ditto X2 and Tatsu now a days? Nice to hear they're cleaning things up again! I really enjoyed watching the park come back from a real low in the 2009-2010 timeframe but it seemed to dip again shortly afterwards. Nobody expects Disney (or you shouldn't anyway. You're not paying Disney prices either).

 

Excited to finally hit the mountain again. Any other suggestions? They're all appreciated.

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Thanks! How bad is Throttle's line normally? We talking hours here? Ditto X2 and Tatsu now a days? Nice to hear they're cleaning things up again! I really enjoyed watching the park come back from a real low in the 2009-2010 timeframe but it seemed to dip again shortly afterwards. Nobody expects Disney (or you shouldn't anyway. You're not paying Disney prices either).

 

Excited to finally hit the mountain again. Any other suggestions? They're all appreciated.

YOLO's line when its backed up to the entrance may be up to 60 mins or so. X2's line can get out of control in the morning, an hour or two after opening it might be up to 90 mins (Since GP always runs there first), but its usually down to 15 or less in the afternoon on most days after all those people already rode it in the morning.

 

Tatsu is similar..the line can get to 60-90 on a busy day. If it's bad, then get a flash pass and you can skip the whole lower queue and go straight to the stairs. I've never once waited in Tatsu's lower queue. General flash pass advice (especially when going on a Saturday like you are) is to budget for a Flash Pass and then judge when you get there whether to get one or not. If you decide to get one, go ride YOLO first (since its not included in the FP) and then get the FP after that.

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YOLO's line when its backed up to the entrance may be up to 60 mins or so. X2's line can get out of control in the morning, an hour or two after opening it might be up to 90 mins (Since GP always runs there first), but its usually down to 15 or less in the afternoon on most days after all those people already rode it in the morning.

 

Tatsu is similar..the line can get to 60-90 on a busy day. If it's bad, then get a flash pass and you can skip the whole lower queue and go straight to the stairs. I've never once waited in Tatsu's lower queue. General flash pass advice (especially when going on a Saturday like you are) is to budget for a Flash Pass and then judge when you get there whether to get one or not. If you decide to get one, go ride YOLO first (since its not included in the FP) and then get the FP after that.

 

Thanks again, exactly what I was hoping to learn.

 

Anybody been in the last weekend or two? Has the park been busy?

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If Yolo's line is out to the entrance of the ride, and there are workers maintaining the amount of people the enter further into the queue (like the splitter on X2), the wait is usually no longer than 45 minutes. This was my experience during frightfest

 

Tatsu is similar. The lower queue can take anywhere from 30-60 minutes. Now that they tend to use two trains, two stations, a bit of the wait also comes after you climb the stairs into the station. It's basically like waiting in a whole new line. Now you're waiting for your train in your station to load passengers, complete the circuit, and unload them, all while sharing the track with another station doing the same thing. And anybody who's been on a B&M flyer, particularly Tatsu, know that whole process can be a bit lengthy.

 

My personal opinion would be to head to X2 first, and then up to Tatsu, or Full Throttle first and then Orient Express up the mountain and to Tatsu, before the line gets out of control.

 

Alternatively, hitting Full Throttle first, and then working your way counter-clockwise into the park is great since the GP all go for the big names first. Goliath, Batman, GL, Riddler, and Apocalypse should all be walk-ons or near walk-ons, assuming they're operating.

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If you can change from tomorrow to Sunday, you will do a lot better. Saturday is always way more busy than Sunday.

 

I agree. Never never never never EVER go on Saturday, UNLESS you get the platinum pass. That is the ONLY way i will go on a Saturday. Foolish otherwise...unless you just really love to waste money and wait in likes to go on maybe 3 rides for your 60 bucks....

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If you can change from tomorrow to Sunday, you will do a lot better. Saturday is always way more busy than Sunday.

 

I agree. Never never never never EVER go on Saturday, UNLESS you get the platinum pass. That is the ONLY way i will go on a Saturday. Foolish otherwise...unless you just really love to waste money and wait in likes to go on maybe 3 rides for your 60 bucks....

Gold is usually good enough. Platinum doesnt really give you much improvement in wait times, it just gives you double rides on some coasters and the ability to purchase YOLO FP rides.

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This news will make a lot of you happy. I love seeing silly law suits fail.

 

Magic Mountain Beats Appeal Of Man Hit By Roller Coaster

By Y. Peter Kang

 

Law360, Los Angeles (February 02, 2015, 4:15 PM ET) -- A California appeals court upheld Friday a lower court's ruling in favor of the operator of Six Flags Magic Mountain amusement park in a liability and negligence suit filed by a customer who was hit by a roller coaster while attempting to retrieve his lost hat.

Carlos Ibanez suffered traumatic brain injury at the Six Flags Magic Mountain amusement park in August 2008, when he was hit by a roller coaster called the “Ninja” as he was walking in a restricted area in which the ride was operating. Ibanez wanted to retrieve his lost Dodgers hat, which had been given to him by a deceased uncle.

 

Ibanez reportedly ignored employees’ verbal warnings to not attempt to find his hat because it was too dangerous and climbed two fences to enter a prohibited area where he was then hit in the head by the roller coaster. His claims against Magic Mountain LLC for negligence, premises liability, strict liability, common carrier liability and other claims were tried twice. The jury deadlocked in the first and the court declared a mistrial. In the second trial, the jury ruled in favor of Magic Mountain, finding it not liable.

 

“On appeal from the judgment, appellant challenges several evidentiary rulings of the trial court,” the appeals court wrote in the unpublished opinion. “Although we conclude that the trial court erred in certain evidentiary rulings, the errors were not prejudicial, and therefore we affirm the judgment.”

 

The intermediate appeals court ruled that expert testimony from Bryan Eckman, a safety inspector for the California Department of Industrial Relations Division of Occupational Safety and Health, who testified that Magic Mountain had never received any citations, was inadmissible in accordance with state statutes.

 

In addition, the appeals court said the lower court erred when it excluded evidence regarding the height of perimeter fencing at other roller coasters at Magic Mountain, calling it “an abuse of discretion.”

 

However, given the errors made by the trial court, the appellate court concluded that it was not “reasonably probable” a different verdict would have been reached.

 

Representatives for the parties did not immediately respond to requests for comment Monday.

 

Ibanez is represented by Martin L. Stanley and Jeffrey R. Lamb of the Law Offices of Martin L. Stanley; Stuart B. Esner of Esner Chang & Boyer; and Shea S. Murphy of Law Office of Shea Murphy.

 

Six Flags is represented by Michael L. Amaro and Sanaz Cherazaie of Prindle Amaro Goetz Hillyard Barnes & Reinholtz LLP.

 

The case is Ibanez v. Magic Mountain LLC, case number B248863, in the Court of Appeal of the State of California, Second Appellate District.

 

--Editing by John Quinn.

 

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Good.... frikin idiot! Too bad about his injury but it's his own damn fault.

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If you can change from tomorrow to Sunday, you will do a lot better. Saturday is always way more busy than Sunday.

 

I agree. Never never never never EVER go on Saturday, UNLESS you get the platinum pass. That is the ONLY way i will go on a Saturday. Foolish otherwise...unless you just really love to waste money and wait in likes to go on maybe 3 rides for your 60 bucks....

 

I think that's a bit of an exaggeration. Yes, it is true that Saturdays are usually significantly busier than Sundays, but on a regular off-season weekend it's still possible to do everything in a day without a Flash Pass (though you'll have no time for re-rides). I also would never recommend the Platinum Flash Pass at SFMM, as the price is not worth it for the slight wait time improvement and you will make a lot of enemies if you choose to do double rides.

 

In reply to your questions, NYTrojan...

 

What's the best way to start at the park now? Should I make a straight line for X2 or does X2 have reasonable lines in the afternoon now? Same thing with Tatsu?

 

I typically start with Full Throttle and go counter-clockwise around the park. Typically this allows me to get to Apocalypse before encountering any significant waits (15 minutes or more). X2 is mobbed at opening as roughly 70% of the crowd tends to go straight to that ride, but the line will drop to around 30 minutes mid-afternoon while Full Throttle doesn't tend to experience the same phenomenon. Note that you will definitely have a bit of a wait for Tatsu as the queue often fills about an hour after opening and doesn't really empty out, so you can alternatively go straight there after Full Throttle and go clockwise from there (though this can result in long lines for Riddler's Revenge and/or Goliath).

 

How long are the lines for YOLOcoaster usually? It wasn't in the park the last time I went (Was JUST starting construction)

 

On a moderately crowded day (likely what tomorrow will be), Full Throttle typically peaks around 45-60 minutes. On busy days or during one train operation, the line can get up to 90 minutes. As a general rule of thumb, if you don't do Full Throttle first thing in the morning plan to wait at least 45 minutes for it unless the park is dead.

 

How long are the lines for the Drop tower?

 

I think Lex Luthor is a bit too intimidating for the average SFMM visitor as I've rarely seen the line exceed 30 minutes. If you go here in the morning you might get right on, but note that this one often opens late. If the line is long enough, the park will open a single rider line and this often gets you on in 5-10 minutes.

 

For those that go regularly, are a lot of rides closed right now? I understand Colossus is gone, but are there other rehabs I should know about? I saw somewhere Scream is getting repainted. Is closed right now too?

 

Scream is closed, but the rest of the coasters should be open. Some flat rides and the three water rides may also be closed. Don't be surprised if some coasters are running one train, especially the ones that only have two.

 

How's the park doing now a days with general cleanliness and ride upkeep?

 

They've gotten better over the past couple years, though there is still room for improvement. It's no Disneyland, but it's not the SFMM of the early/mid 2000s either.

 

fluffy, fluffy bunnies filled with medicine and goo: Are they still a big thing on all the rides? Should I bring a lot of $1s with me?

 

I believe X2 is the only coaster that still requires the use of a locker. Several other rides have them, but I'm pretty sure they all either have storage bins/racks or will allow riders to place items against the far wall of the station.

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Thanks everybody. I appreciate all the info. It's also good to know that I shouldn't rely on February to protect me from the lines as much as it used to. Think I'll head to Throttle for starters and see how it goes.

 

Question re Flash Pass: Do I have to get gold? I can get the plain old regular one and ride rides while it pseudo-waits in line for me yes?

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Thanks everybody. I appreciate all the info. It's also good to know that I shouldn't rely on February to protect me from the lines as much as it used to. Think I'll head to Throttle for starters and see how it goes.

 

Question re Flash Pass: Do I have to get gold? I can get the plain old regular one and ride rides while it pseudo-waits in line for me yes?

Yes you can. The difference is in wait time. The regular flash pass will have you pseudo wait as long as the regular line while the gold will have much shorter waits. In my experience gold will get you 5-15 min waits for anything (except Fright Fest mazes and for some reason water rides) even on the busiest of days. I always get the gold when I get the flash pass, because generally if the lines are short enough for me to use a regular, then I dont bother with a flash pass at all.

 

The best strategy is as soon as you check in to a ride with your flash pass, while youre waiting in the station reserve your next ride and more often than not, your next ride will be ready when you get off of the current ride. This way you can go ride to ride with virtually no waiting other than the station waits.

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