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Someone a little more knowledgeable about this please settle this.

 

Does it look like you get to ride both sides at the same time, or go through the ride twice on the same ride? Or is this two separate rides? (Where you have to get off the blue side if you want to ride the green side?) And is this two tracks or one?

 

I'm mostly a lurker here, but this is what I gather from reading the release and watching the video: It's one coaster with two lift hills. After the ride completes a full circuit it hits the second lift hill and completes a second full circuit with slight variations.

 

I could be wrong, but I think it's only 5,000 feet (versus the combined 8,000 feet of the original Colossus) because the second half of the original Colossus will be removed. With the original Colossus there was the first drop, the turn, the second drop, an airtime hill through the structure, and then a double up. Everything after the double up will be no more which accounts for the missing 3,000 feet of track.

 

So, it's one ride that you go through once. The two racing coaster tracks have been combined into a single coaster track with two lift hills.

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I don't think I expected them to double the original length, but I think this is a much shorter ride than it looks in the mockup, consider two lift hill times and the ride is under 4 minutes.

 

Also, I don't think their spring target will be hit (June 2014).

 

I may eat these words after winter, but we are gearing up for a real el nino winter the strength of which we haven't seen since 1998. There will be many weather delays and I project a July opening. I hope I'm wrong though, I hate going to six flags in July.

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I guess I just don't know why people can't read through the thread? I know a lot of pages have popped up since the announcement, but it seems incredibly lazy to not spend the time to read through - I'd guess if you were truly interested in the answer, you could spend 5-10 minutes burning through the posts.

 

I'm far from an expert, so I can watch the video/read the release and come to my own conclusion - it's then nice to be able to read through the posts here, where guys like Robb and others, also had some questions and together people made heads/tails out of it. I don't know if it's just entitlement or what, but people not only DON'T read through previous posts (and ask the same question(s)), they actually will post "srry, not reading all that lol, answer this pls"!

 

What gets me is the continued debate (now on it's fifth or sixth start) about the track(s). Even if you skim through the posts, people were excitedly using the term "Möbius" to describe what's happening...and I'd guess that that would at least stick out?

 

I do wonder, sadly, about the interaction of the trains - as has been mentioned. I'm not too familiar with what happened with Dueling Dragons, but I wonder if SFMM will eventually (or even initially) try to install any sort of netting inbetween the tracks at the hi-five or the other interactive moments of the ride? People are dumb, and that's too bad.

 

ALSO: I did find the quick mention of a season pass entrance, that is located away from the main gate, interesting. I've never been to Cedar Point, but that have multiple entrances right? I know the mass of people at the main gate ends up being the crappy way most guests start their day at the park, it would be interesting to hear if they ever considered putting in another entrance (even if it were just in operation from park opening, for just a couple of hours?

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Yes, I know - and that's part of the problem. It's such a mess. I know a good amount of people have passes, but every time I've gone it's just a mass of humanity.

 

What I'm saying is, as someone mentioned, what if there were a dedicated, new, entrance - say over by Colossus - that served only season pass holders? Those people don't have any need for a ticket booth, so that would cut down on the people clogging those up. I suppose you could even locate a Discover Cardholder entrance over there (although if they needed to buy a ticket, they'd still need to head to the front).

 

I guess the mention of it just made me wonder why there is only one entrance when the dynamic of how people pay to get in has changed so much? I've read many a trip report where people were bummed that the start to their day was met by a jam at the parking booths, only to be met with a hot walk (or long wait) to get to this PACKED entry plaza.

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After my last several visits, I would give Magic Mountain the award for worst opening procedure. They have very few turnstiles, and they wait until the second of opening to start letting people through. Yet another issue I have had with this park was when I was visiting with a friend from New Jersey who had an SF pass, but we knew that their scanners could not take parks from the opposite coast. We got there a half hour before opening, but it took the person at will call a half hour to figure out what to do with the problem, and then it took us another hvlf hour to enter the park. By contrast, I had this same issue when I visited Great Adventure with my California season pass, but I was still able to get in the park within 10 minutes. Basically, a process that took ten minutes at one SF park took an hour at another.

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I'm a little late here, but holy sh*t! This looks amazing. After getting to ride Iron Rattler and New Texas Giant, these RMC creations have snuck up as a favorite. I think what they've collaborated on here is a perfect execution!

Now it seems that the layout is shortened a little bit? I don't see as much wood as I remember in the video.

Can't wait to check this out next year!

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Yes, I've been to several Six Flags and Magic Mountain seems to be the worst when it comes to opening/churning through letting guests into the park.

 

An entrance (clearly labelled) as SEASON PASSHOLDERS ONLY would help quite a bit of the mess up front --- there's just too much going on (people coming in the park with/without tickets already purchases/Discover/out of state season passes etc. Plus I think it would be cool and even help to spread out the initial crowds each morning.

 

I don't know how common this is at this point (I'm guessing not very), but with how much things have changed (in terms of how revenue is gained from park entry) it's strange that the parks have not addressed this yet....especially in a place like Valencia, where the main gate is a decent haul from the lot - and whether you wait for the bus in the hot sun or hoof it, you're pretty hot and bothered by the time you actually make it into the park!

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Yes, I've been to several Six Flags and Magic Mountain seems to be the worst when it comes to opening/churning through letting guests into the park.

 

An entrance (clearly labelled) as SEASON PASSHOLDERS ONLY would help quite a bit of the mess up front --- there's just too much going on (people coming in the park with/without tickets already purchases/Discover/out of state season passes etc. Plus I think it would be cool and even help to spread out the initial crowds each morning.

 

I don't know how common this is at this point (I'm guessing not very), but with how much things have changed (in terms of how revenue is gained from park entry) it's strange that the parks have not addressed this yet....especially in a place like Valencia, where the main gate is a decent haul from the lot - and whether you wait for the bus in the hot sun or hoof it, you're pretty hot and bothered by the time you actually make it into the park!

 

What is up with the mess at the gates? I visited my first Six Flags parks this year (Six Flags GA and Gav). I bought season passes and it still took forever to get through the gates.

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Meanwhile... the Labor Day Sale is awesome. I was able to get Gold passes for $57 this season from a 'special' invite (that I'm sure most subscribers got).

 

where did this come from? subscriber? i'm cheap like that and wouldn't mind saving a little more.

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I bet RMC and Magic Mountain are saying, dang, we couldn't make the video any clearer showing how the ride uses the two lift hills, maybe we should send out another press release. LOL

 

I have a feeling that, even 2 years after the ride opens, there will still be people (mostly GP) claiming it is two sperate rides. Even after they ride it.

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Am I seriously seeing people talk about how the winter might delay the construction?

 

This is LA. There is no winter. There is summer and slightly cooler summer. I was in Hollywood this past January and it was 78 degrees.

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i'm guessing this will go pretty smooth as far as construction. it's not like RMC just gives someone the plans and says, have at it. their crew is the ones who head the construction with a little help, correct?

 

weather, not really a problem. terrain, not issue like with Tatsu. after the bad winter in Chicago last year, the RMC crew will feel like they are on vacation in LA. LOL

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Am I seriously seeing people talk about how the winter might delay the construction?

 

This is LA. There is no winter. There is summer and slightly cooler summer. I was in Hollywood this past January and it was 78 degrees.

 

I don't know. LA residents don't handle drizzly rain very well.

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^ That's a very good point. Driving the 15 through the mountains during a rainstorm was one of the most terrifying things I've done on the road. It didn't help that it was late at night and I was surrounded by 18-wheelers.

 

In other news, even though I really, REALLY don't like Magic Mountain, that Labor Day Sale was impossible to pass up. $69.99 for a gold season pass that includes parking at every Six Flags property? SOLD!

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Agreed about the Labor Day Season Pass sale. Is anyone opting for the membership, though? Other than the monthly payment part, is a benefit of the membership that you can lock in pricing and benefits for years to come?

 

 

i don't really see the benefit of the membership. well, that's coming from someone who buys their pass during the sales, which happen every year. last few years it's been, buy 4 and get parking and upgrade to gold. they even sent me the opportunity to buy more a few months ago as singles for the same price of $72. so there is a little discount. lol

 

but i do know they've done the gold upgrade thing with parking for a number of years.

 

the membership requires a $20 deposit to get the $5.85 a month price. the deposit being kept until you stop the membership. i'd rather them keep you in a contract for 2 years like cell service and it be a little cheaper than their sales on gold passes.

 

either way, i'll get it this weekend. it's sometimes a pain to find at least 2 other people to buy 4 when they do those sales.

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An entrance (clearly labelled) as SEASON PASSHOLDERS ONLY would help quite a bit of the mess up front ---

 

What is up with the mess at the gates? I visited my first Six Flags parks this year (Six Flags GA and Gav). I bought season passes and it still took forever to get through the gates.

 

Nobody reads the signs or they at least don't read and understand engrish. If you listen around, there are so many different languages being spoken. And as far as the delay it takes some talking to let the guest know that the clippers or even the pocket knife is against park policy and option is return it to your car or we shall dispose of it here and that takes some time to explain. It also takes time to explain to the guest that outside food and beverage aside from water is not allowed to be brought into the park. Most people are trying to bring in food of all kinds so just do your best when entering a line to not get behind a stroller or anyone carrying a big beach bag or backpacks. As they will argue that the Cheetos they have are for dietary needs and that will bring your line to a stop. Or even now when guest claim they need a gluten free diet or that they are veggin well low and behold SFMM now has both those type of restaurants so take your gluten and veggin crap back to your car or we shall toss it and you must buy ours..... BUT THEN AGAIN NOBODY READS SIGNS.

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