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So is Colossus open all day today for passholders? How crowded is the park? Maybe I'll head up later. I agree this seems very weird considering how yesterday was so strongly promoted as the final day.

 

Yes, it's open all day. It's really light crowds. I've walked on Goliath, Colossus, Scream, Batman, Riddler, and Gold Rusher since I've been here. Currently in line for Superman. One side open and the line starts at the flash pass person.

 

Park Management is at the pass check at Colossus so that they can control angry guests. But 90% of people that go to Six Flags have passes anyways so.... Yeah.

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You people need to accept the fact that colossus would make a terrible RMC coaster as is, and the layout will be changed drastically

LMAO! You write this as though we don't already know!

 

I definitely agree with that based on what direction RMC has taken their coasters, but I personally would be intrigued by a topper track re-do that brought back the double down and removed the trims along the rest of the way. And returned it to racing.

 

That being said...Six Flags recent history with RMC proves to me there is no way they will be leaving it in-tact and to expect some crazy inversion/steep drop/intense gimmick(s) to go with the new version of the ride.

 

^ I agree. The park set up for MONTHS that the final date was 8-16-14. It's been in print. It's been on their Facebokk page. It's been on a sign over the ride. They gave away buttons, etc.

 

THIS. I bet the majority of the guests who came yesterday were passholders to begin with. Many of them probably weren't even aware there is the bonus day today.

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Yeah, they have really pushed the envelope a lot lately. I mean with latest additions such as the kiddie coaster, Green Lantern and YOL0 they have forced everyone to step up their game
Can't argue with the kiddie coaster, but Green Lantern is the first ZacSpin in the US (even if it is neutered) and YOLOCoaster though short still has the tallest loop and the first double sided track and turned out to be a great ride.

 

It would be interesting to see how many non season pass holders they have to turn away - and how angry people get. I don't really understand this perk, as it seems that it would only cause bad PR for the park.

 

I don't know, just seems odd to have an entire? day where the ride is having trains sent out with people on it - but only folks who bought a season pass get to ride (the day before they literally start tearing down/modifying parts of the ride structure.

Its also maybe a way to get some more people to buy a SP if theyre at the park today and want to ride it.
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The local cbs news had a nice Colossus farewell report, most importantly, at the end the reporter mentions that the park told him that fans will be happy with the new addition and it will uses at least part of the old structure.

 

I think this is the first that some "reliable" news confirms a Colossus refurb

Here is the video

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/video?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=10481475

Maybe they'll just tear it down and leave a portion by the new ride like they did with Rolling thunder in NJ

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It would be interesting to see how many non season pass holders they have to turn away - and how angry people get. I don't really understand this perk, as it seems that it would only cause bad PR for the park.

 

I don't know, just seems odd to have an entire? day where the ride is having trains sent out with people on it - but only folks who bought a season pass get to ride (the day before they literally start tearing down/modifying parts of the ride structure.

^ I agree. The park set up for MONTHS that the final date was 8-16-14. It's been in print. It's been on their Facebokk page. It's been on a sign over the ride. They gave away buttons, etc.

 

I think it's awful that they pushed that date so much and had a HUGE crowd show up yesterday based on all that with people thinking they were riding on the "last day" only to have the ride run during the normal operating hours the next day but only let a select group of customers ride.

 

That's just terrible customer service. Although none of this surprises me, ether.

 

IMO, if they wanted to do something for season pass holders, they should have done it outside of public park hours, just like they are doing the employee final rides.

 

In my mind, the ride ended yesterday, the final ride was last night, and that's what will go down in history because that's what the park promoted and that's what will be remembered.

 

--Robb

This is what I'm talking about that is pretty obnoxious of the park to do...image.thumb.jpg.868c0137e807ac53bd9a07cfa994dc21.jpg Someone just sent me this pic from the park today. HUGE banners everywhere and a giant "last chance to ride" date over the ride "8-16-14" but people are being selectively allowed into the queue and the ride is actually open today during normal business hours.

 

No effort to try to hide the fact that they did a giant promotion yesterday that, based on that news story linked a couple of pages back, people flew in from all over to get a final ride on the "last day" and people waited 2-3 hours in line only to have the ride running today during normal business hours with half-empty trains leaving the station.

 

It's kind of sad because instead of the ride going out with a big fanfare and party, it sort of goes out with a whimper. Which is exactly why I said I look at last night as the last ride and ignore the fact that it's even open today as it's a slap in the face to their local customers.

 

For the record, I don't have an issue with them doing bonus rides for Passholders for the park to show their appreciation, I have an issue with them doing it during NORMAL OPERATING HOURS while turning away other guests. I think that really sucks.

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I wouldn't have a massive problem with them doing it during park hours if it was before the advertised "last day."

Exactly, or if it was a private event after the park closed or on a day when the park wasn't open to the public, but to purposely run it the day AFTER their huge promotion is a slap in the face to their normal paying guests.

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They are a year-round park

 

In the most technical sense of the word possible. They stick to weekend-only operation for half the year. Knott's, Disney, Uni, etc all stay open year-round legitimately and yet still manage to get projects and maintenance done in a timely fashion. Imagine Six Flags' construction crews are akin to road construction while most other parks' construction crews are the ones that build a McDonald's overnight.

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^Possibly, but I don't think so. It's nothing RMC can't do. It's pretty clear that RMC can do some crazy elements after seeing Goliath and Medusa, and knowing SFMM, they would want to market a "never-before-done element".

 

So Colossus is really open today? That's just sad. Not for those petitioners, though. They probably think it will be staying and their petition worked!

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^ Sure it's RMC but just because it is doesn't mean you should expect something like Kolmardens Wildfire. Remember when Full Throttle was supposed to be the coaster of the century? That's what I'm saying.... Everyone here is expecting something big but in reality well get something along the lines of Outlaw Run or iRAT. (Not complaining)

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Honestly, Colossus wound make a terrible, cliche RMC. Does SFMM really need another coaster to replace Colossus? No- and there are other parks with rides in need of the treatment. Colossus was a historic roller coaster, and having riding it twice in '08, I loved the ride. It may still be dueling today had they not established this plan to let it go.

 

On the other hand, Cyclone is going to be a interesting RMC. It was in far more need of a treatment than Colossus, and in its condition, it was falling apart. The layout of Cyclone is far superior for a RMC than was Colossus's.

 

I know that others may disagree, but I'd hate to see steel and wood together next year.

I don't even know how to comprehend posts like this. IMO, they are just so stupid that it makes my head seriously spin. So let me just try to breakdown what you're saying so I can try to put SOME sort of understanding behind it.

 

1. So you're saying that Colossus, on it's own, was a great ride, and that no matter what RMC does, cannot make it better?

2. You're saying that RMC couldn't possibly make a fun, or a more fun coaster out of Colossus?

3. You're saying that Colossus, despite that most enthusiasts have been complaining about it's decline for literally 25+ years, shouldn't be touched at all?

4. You're saying that Cyclone in New England is a better, more iconic roller coaster that Colossus?

5. You're saying that despite how insanely well received by both the public and enthusiasts, and how highly rated the RMC re-dos of the three Six Flags woodies so far (Texas Giant, Iron Rattler, Medusa) have been, that no more future rides of this type should be built.

 

Here's what *I* am saying - Rocky Mountain is currently building some of the best roller coasters in the world. There are very, VERY few that have had the track record that company has managed to produce in a short amount of time and a Rocky Mountain re-do of Colossus has a great potential to instantly be the best ride in the park, and I would put money on that bet.

 

If you *honestly believe* that RMC coming in and making modifications to Colossus is going to be WORSE than just letting Colossus run as is (a terrible shadow of it's former self) then you sir are a perfect example of why some people shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion.

 

/end rant

 

--Robb Alvey

 

DISCLAIMER: This post does not mean to inflict on anyones opinions directly, or point any fingers. It's just what has been on my mind. Do not interpret this violently. Everyone here has been and is entitle to their own opinions. Should they be stated is simply a belief of the individual.

 

There is some confusion here. So, let's straighten this out one bit at a time:

1. Colossus was a good ride. It was by far the most iconic wooden coaster in at least the US, but it was still known worldwide. Colossus is a major part of the parks skyline, and it serves as a reminder to the classic days pre-Six Flags. How many white-woodies have to be torn down this decade?

2. I'm not instating that the ride may have a better future. It's more so that they ride will practically be a mirror of itself, and that, because of the figure-8 design, the only elements that could possibly be placed would turn out very SFish gimmicky. IMO, it's not worth a treatment for these features. For those of you who want airtime, understand that, this would be full of inversions. A cliche move on Six Flag's part.

3. I understand Colossus needs care. Eventually, all wooden coaster will come to a demise, it's just common sense. And someday, the question will come: why build wooden coaster anymore to have more maintenance and less durability? Those times may just be full of RMCs, and is that unique anymore? If they were to tear it down, does SFMM need another YOLOcoaster? There are some so hyped up about SFMM that they forget what they have, and other parks don't. Look around the chain, and towards the bottom you will see parks like SFM, SFA, SFDK, and SFSTL. SFMM has many unique rides, very few clones, and rare rides, especially in the US. Green Lantern - the only Zac Spin in N. America, and while neutered, you still won't find the experience elsewhere here. Riddler's Revenge - A large B&M standup with by far, one of the most unique layouts of any B&M coaster. Tatsu - the only unique flyer under the Six Flags name. Revolution - a classic, extremely iconic Schwarzkopf, that unfortunately, has declined because of Six Flags, but none the less is still kicking. Superman - one of the tallest and fastest rides in the world. Goliath - Only two of these Giovanolas were ever built, and this one is the longer of the two with it's final helix. Need I mention: X2, Full Throttle, or Apocalypse? If one ride is bad, then there are still more than plenty others to ride. Sure competition there is fierce, and the population large, but what about dealing with two RMCs and several world class wooden coasters within under 7 hours by car (SFSFTL), or being in a city with §six million more people than LA (SFMM)? And to them, Six Flags gimmicky is a relocated Boomerang, branded as new and unique, or a small line up of coasters, although they do now have Steel Medusa. SFMM doesn't need more - no RMC's or mega-lites. The only things they need to do is to share their budget down the chain, improve their cleanness, add another real wooden coaster to fill in for Pysclone, and fix Revolution. The YOLOcoaster fantasies are blinding many. Remember, Six Flags did have some bankruptcy problems in '10.

4. Cyclone is not a more iconic coaster than Colossus. It is a much more deserving candidate for the treatment, and much a better existing support layout for a more interesting RMC redo. There are also other coasters that need the treatment more than Colossus: The Boss, Monstre, Roar, The Predator, possibly Georgia Cyclone (if the retracking doesn't hold up). Look at the Boss, as it has never had a good record; it still runs the terrible G trains, and Monstre looks like it could collapse (it might make a better bonfire than an Iron Horse).

5. I love RMC's. All their creations have impressed me greatly, and really make good use of an old ride. I was especially excited for SDC and their Outlaw Run, as well as SFM's Medusa. But what I don't to see is neglect towards other parks. It's bad enough that only Six Flags can currently Iron Horse a coaster under RMC's agreement, but to want to build the next few in larger parks, even if it means using a less likely candidate, is just totally ignorant. Someday, the world would be full of RMC's, and the fad will be over. But until then, they don't need to let some of the rides beat themselves up further and rot. Those rides need the treatment and should be the top candidates. Just think about the streak they are on, and what will happen when other corporations get their hands on this technology. Some rides will be forgotten, and poor choices will be to blame. Say if the interest died out, or RMC began cloning: will some of these rides ever be built, even at a compromise?

 

And Robb, the real difference in "should" and "could" is an opinion itself; the matter lies in one hand, however firm it may be, but, never in agreement. None of this is intended to cause commotion or flame waring. I have simply wanted to state my opinion, like everyone else has in theis thread. If it was indifferent from others, then would it be an opinion?

 

Please excuse me if this is somewhat abstract or doesn't coincide with your opinions.

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Goliath - Only two of these Giovanolas were ever built, and this one is the longer of the two with it's final helix.

 

Wrong. Goliath is more than 800 feet shorter than Titan. But good on you, I guess.

 

As for the rest of your post, I don't even want to get into it.

 

Edit - Had to add this one -

 

within under 7 hours by car (SFSFTL)

 

 

maps.google.com for your consideration.

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I do believe that Rocky Mountain will do great things to this ride.

 

That being said, running one side with a three hour wait on the final day, and giving another day for season pass holders are true disgraces to guests. Factors such as an awful park entrance process and horrible operations demonstrate why I rarely ever return to this park. My last visit, two weeks ago, was plagued with factors as Tatsu running one station with a 45 minute wait, Superman running one side with a full queue, Apoc running one train with a 90 minute wait, consistent stacking on all coasters, and a 90 minute wait to get food at Panda Express.

 

I actually think that it kind of sucks that they probably will be installing a great ride, due to the fact that I would actually have to return to this park to experience it.

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I do believe that Rocky Mountain will do great things to this ride.

 

That being said, running one side with a three hour wait on the final day, and giving another day for season pass holders are true disgraces to guests. Factors such as an awful park entrance process and horrible operations demonstrate why I rarely ever return to this park. My last visit, two weeks ago, was plagued with factors as Tatsu running one station with a 45 minute wait, Superman running one side with a full queue, Apoc running one train with a 90 minute wait, consistent stacking on all coasters, and a 90 minute wait to get food at Panda Express.

 

I actually think that it kind of sucks that they probably will be installing a great ride, due to the fact that I would actually have to return to this park to experience it.

You know what does wonders for this problem you are presenting? Moving to Orlando and having your local parks be Islands of Adventure and Epcot!!!

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