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I have a hard time believing this for a couple if reasons. First the ride has OTSR. How is a tree branch going to hit him in the chest with a harness in the way. Second, other people would have been hit by the branch not just one person. Third and final reason is if he was hit by a branch he would have scratches to go with that bruise, I have never been hit with a branch and just get a bruise

Depending on the angle it is possible for him to be hit, but yeah the second thing - if this happened an hour before the accident, then dozens of other people would have been hit too, especially as that kid was probably just big enough to ride and a majority of riders would be larger targets than he.

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I was in line for Cheetah Hunt at BGT a couple of nights ago; it was nearing closing time, had been storming for a couple hours, and the park was just coming out of code purple/red/orange and back to yellow. People in line were anxious for them to run through their testing and re-open the ride. Sometime before I got there, they did a test run with an op on it, and he came back saying he was brushed by a tree. Maintenance came & rode and confirmed that the tree was inside the ride envelope and the ride wasn't safe to reopen to guests. It was dark and they didn't have time to go do anything about it before closing (this was like right at 9), so they gave 2 single-use quick queue tickets to each guest in line for the next time they visited the park.

 

Props to them for 1) doing proper safety checking before re-opening after a big storm, 2) not ignoring when something was outside the safe operational parameters to just get the ride back open, and 3) making it right by their guests afterwards.

 

Not a real great comparison to this situation since the plethora of trees around Ninja does create the potential for a branch or even an entire tree making contact with the track at any time, including between ride cycles. Yes, BGT did do their job there, but if not for the storm, that would have been a guest that was brushed by the tree who may or may not have reported it. Then who knows what may have happened afterwards.

 

This looks like one of those freak things that is sort of amazing that it never happened before in Ninja's 20+ year history. It would be a gross overreaction to implement some sort of regulation that required protection of the ride envelope from the surrounding trees. As was mentioned earlier, plenty of rides go 'through the trees' without any problem at all.

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This looks like one of those freak things that is sort of amazing that it never happened before in Ninja's 20+ year history. It would be a gross overreaction to implement some sort of regulation that required protection of the ride envelope from the surrounding trees. As was mentioned earlier, plenty of rides go 'through the trees' without any problem at all.
It may not have happened to Ninja in 20+ years, but it just happened to its next door neighbor Revolution only months ago. Two major accidents involving threes in a very short period of time.

 

I'm not by any means suggesting removal of trees...as Elissa said we want to keep every last bit of shade we have left, but I think some procedural changes in inspection of surrounding vegetation would be in order. It's not possible to completely prevent every freak accident but for example they could increase the ride envelope for vegetation or just be a little more aggressive or frequent with their tree trimming to minimize the chances of something like this happening again soon.

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Hopefully my post doesn't get lost in the discussion about Ninja here, but I was hoping to get some up-to-date advice on a good attack plan for my first visit to the park this Friday. Being right after the holiday weekend, I was hoping the Friday won't be too bad in terms of crowds? Unfortunately, I had no other options for a day to visit the park. I have read online in a number of places in which direction to attack the rides, but it was either out of date, or don't agree with each other, so I figured I'd come here. What direction would you suggest hitting all the major rides (I've read some things that say X2, some that say Full Throttle, some that say others)? I can be there at opening, and plan on staying til maybe 6:30-7pm. Also, when the calendar says the park opens at 10:30am, does that mean the gates open then or the gates open prior to this and the rides open then? Thanks everyone!

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Hopefully my post doesn't get lost in the discussion about Ninja here, but I was hoping to get some up-to-date advice on a good attack plan for my first visit to the park this Friday. Being right after the holiday weekend, I was hoping the Friday won't be too bad in terms of crowds? Unfortunately, I had no other options for a day to visit the park. I have read online in a number of places in which direction to attack the rides, but it was either out of date, or don't agree with each other, so I figured I'd come here. What direction would you suggest hitting all the major rides (I've read some things that say X2, some that say YOLOcoaster, some that say others)? I can be there at opening, and plan on staying til maybe 6:30-7pm. Also, when the calendar says the park opens at 10:30am, does that mean the gates open then or the gates open prior to this and the rides open then? Thanks everyone!

The gates open at 1030 and most if not all rides should be open immediately unless theyre behind in morning testing or something. Friday should be the best day to go this weekend since Sunday was just announced as a surprise bring-a-friend day.

 

You should start with either X2 or YOLO (which one doesnt really matter) when the gates open and then come back around 4:30 when the lines will be shorter. I tend to do YOLO first because in my experience X2's line dies more in the afternoon. Expect both Ninja and Green Lantern to be completely closed all day.

 

Without a Flash Pass the fastest way is to hit your one big ride first (X2/YOLO) and then do the back of the park which is typically a ghost town in the morning. You can blast through several rides quickly that way and work your way out front and then in the afternoon hit whichever big ride you didn't do in the morning.

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I come from a family of arbor’s and they can make trees look much much better with a little trim work. They shape big trees into umbrellas and do other funky stuff to them. I’m not say remove trees, what I am saying is start trimming trees. I know they provide shade and landscape beauty and are environmentally good but it is SFMM responsibility to keep up the maintenance on the tree’s and shrubbery to avoid something like this and unfortunately. This accident and the Revolution tree accident is going to be the one to start this process.[/color]

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The gates open at 1030 and most if not all rides should be open immediately unless theyre behind in morning testing or something. Friday should be the best day to go this weekend since Sunday was just announced as a surprise bring-a-friend day.

 

You should start with either X2 or YOLO (which one doesnt really matter) when the gates open and then come back around 4:30 when the lines will be shorter. I tend to do YOLO first because in my experience X2's line dies more in the afternoon. Expect both Ninja and Green Lantern to be completely closed all day.

 

Without a Flash Pass the fastest way is to hit your one big ride first (X2/YOLO) and then do the back of the park which is typically a ghost town in the morning. You can blast through several rides quickly that way and work your way out front and then in the afternoon hit whichever big ride you didn't do in the morning.

 

Amazing help! I knew I could count on this site to get advice from a regular visitor of the park. Thanks a million! Glad to hear that Friday luckily worked out as a better day to go.

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That's terrible but really what is the park supposed to do... stop a ride every time somebody complains like this? Sure in this case it may have prevented this but if they stopped a ride every time a guest complained about something, made up or not, rides would never run. As far as the rest of her complaint I don't know.

 

Yes. If a guest comes back from a ride injured (beyond things like head banging) you should (IMO) stop operation to find out why.

 

I completely agree as well. As the saying goes, safety first. And I'm not quite sure, Tmcdllr, what you mean by "every time somebody complains 'like this' because I don't know of any other complaints like this. In my opinion (and I don't see why this is even a debatable issue), someone getting hurt on a ride (as Comeagain stated, outside of something like headbanging) is serious and should be taken seriously by the park. If Disney, Universal, or Knott's received a complaint that someone was hurt from an obstruction on a ride, you bet they're going to shut down the ride immediately.

 

And to the argument that rides would never run if they addressed complaints whether they were made up or not, well look, Ninja can't run AT ALL right now because they didn't look into something they should have.

 

I agree too, safety first, and if there is an obvious injury such as bruising or bleeding then yes, do the inspection now. But I'm sure the parks get guest complaints all the time of alleged 'injuries' on rides with no obvious signs of the injury and in that case, should they then stop the ride and inspect it every time that happens? Maybe it depends on the alleged injury, I don't know, or, does this even happen often enough- real or fake, to even cause a problem? What do you guys think? I'm sure they are many of you that have visited parks more frequently than I have so what is your take on this, have you seen such an incident before?

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Sorry if this has already been discussed, but will this result in a complete removal of Ninja, or do you think they will repair it and keep the Coaster? I'm just curious because of its age, and the dying breed.

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There is no reason to remove Ninja because of a freak accident, again, this could happen with ANY coaster with trees around it.

 

I think the interesting thing to see will be if the park gets nailed for 'bad tree maintenance' whether true or not since a tree related incident happened on Revolution recently. I could see officials going nuts over the tree issue.... just because they can, so get ready for more political ridiculousness, because this is California and stupid things happen here.

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That's terrible but really what is the park supposed to do... stop a ride every time somebody complains like this? Sure in this case it may have prevented this but if they stopped a ride every time a guest complained about something, made up or not, rides would never run. As far as the rest of her complaint I don't know.

When I used to operate rides if a guest complained about anything we needed to do something, we would not just forget about it. If it was car related we wouldn't load the car until the correct person could check it out, if it was a brake problem we would watch and see if it braked to hard to little etc. It also helps that were I worked there are cameras at every angle of the ride and could actually see a branch on a track and hopefully stop it on the lift or block before it's to late. Six flags does need to improve having their operators have a full complete view of the ride through cameras of some sort.

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I agree too, safety first, and if there is an obvious injury such as bruising or bleeding then yes, do the inspection now. But I'm sure the parks get guest complaints all the time of alleged 'injuries' on rides with no obvious signs of the injury and in that case, should they then stop the ride and inspect it every time that happens? Maybe it depends on the alleged injury, I don't know, or, does this even happen often enough- real or fake, to even cause a problem? What do you guys think? I'm sure they are many of you that have visited parks more frequently than I have so what is your take on this, have you seen such an incident before?

It's not safety first if there's a but.

If they get a report of something obstructing the course of the track, yes they should inspect it every time it happens. The thinking that an inspection shouldn't be made because there weren't any obvious signs of injury is a fallacy. Part of the point of the inspection is to prevent injuries from happening. The line of thinking that something should not get checked out because nothing serious has happened yet is exactly how this situation came to be.

 

EDIT: Again, I will use Disney and Universal (and Cedar Fair parks) as examples of parks that are safety-first and would have shut down the ride immediately. I don't think the large amount of people in the park and waiting on rides stops those parks from taking the safety-first approach (to address the idea that no one would get to ride if the park responded to these complaints).

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That's terrible but really what is the park supposed to do... stop a ride every time somebody complains like this? Sure in this case it may have prevented this but if they stopped a ride every time a guest complained about something, made up or not, rides would never run. As far as the rest of her complaint I don't know.

 

Yes. If a guest comes back from a ride injured (beyond things like head banging) you should (IMO) stop operation to find out why.

 

I completely agree as well. As the saying goes, safety first. And I'm not quite sure, Tmcdllr, what you mean by "every time somebody complains 'like this' because I don't know of any other complaints like this. In my opinion (and I don't see why this is even a debatable issue), someone getting hurt on a ride (as Comeagain stated, outside of something like headbanging) is serious and should be taken seriously by the park. If Disney, Universal, or Knott's received a complaint that someone was hurt from an obstruction on a ride, you bet they're going to shut down the ride immediately.

 

And to the argument that rides would never run if they addressed complaints whether they were made up or not, well look, Ninja can't run AT ALL right now because they didn't look into something they should have.

 

I agree too, safety first, and if there is an obvious injury such as bruising or bleeding then yes, do the inspection now. But I'm sure the parks get guest complaints all the time of alleged 'injuries' on rides with no obvious signs of the injury and in that case, should they then stop the ride and inspect it every time that happens? Maybe it depends on the alleged injury, I don't know, or, does this even happen often enough- real or fake, to even cause a problem? What do you guys think? I'm sure they are many of you that have visited parks more frequently than I have so what is your take on this, have you seen such an incident before?

 

Working in this industry, yes, if someone has a complaint that seems to have merit (obvious harm, not just "It was scary!" type harm) then we will most definitely hold the attraction until we can investigate it further. Sometimes that involves walking it, sometimes that involves actually riding it. Hell, even if there is an odd sound on an attraction it will prompt us to hold & investigate.

 

The Big Thunder Mountain accident at Disneyland years ago was a failure of maintenance and training. The ride ops knew of an odd sound coming from the train whilst in motion and continued to load the train before the accident happened that killed someone and hurt a score of others. Safety is the utmost importance. All rides should give the illusion of being unsafe, but if it is unsafe for real reasons, then the park has failed its patrons and given them real risk, instead of a perceived one.

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When I worked for Disney, we were always trained to look for "Unusual Conditions." If something doesn't look, sound, or smell right, or we get a report from guests about something unusual, we either stop the ride or at the very least stop loading the ride depending on the situation. This goes for all attractions I worked including those in Tomorrowland and Kilimanjaro Safaris. You never ignore something abnormal in a ride's operation.

 

Are we sure the Yelp report is credible?

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When I worked for Disney, we were always trained to look for "Unusual Conditions." If something doesn't look, sound, or smell right, or we get a report from guests about something unusual, we either stop the ride or at the very least stop loading the ride depending on the situation. This goes for all attractions I worked including those in Tomorrowland and Kilimanjaro Safaris. You never ignore something abnormal in a ride's operation.

 

Are we sure the Yelp report is credible?

No, I don't think we are sure it's credible, but it did include pictures. And I think someone a couple pages back pointed out that it was suspicious that it was a new account, but an event like that might cause me to make a Yelp account to make a bad review myself.

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There is no reason to remove Ninja because of a freak accident, again, this could happen with ANY coaster with trees around it.

 

I think the interesting thing to see will be if the park gets nailed for 'bad tree maintenance' whether true or not since a tree related incident happened on Revolution recently. I could see officials going nuts over the tree issue.... just because they can, so get ready for more political ridiculousness, because this is California and stupid things happen here.

 

Stupid things happen in Florida too. When I worked at Expedition Everest, we had a guest who said their hand hit a piece of bamboo. We closed the ride down for a bit, and horticulture came in a trimmed up around the ride path. The next day, about 10% of all the bamboo was gone. Then a few days later, someone got off the ride saying there was a piece of bamboo in the track. We closed the ride, did and inspection, and yes, there was a piece of bamboo UNDER the track, but it was not in danger of hitting anyone or anything (though I do understand the fear of more bamboo falling). The next day, when I came in, we didn't open the ride for SEVEN HOURS. Why? Because they were busy doing this to the entire ride path (Kali River Rapids got the same treatment within the week):

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