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Evidence to show that RMC is converting Colossus is that both Rattler and Medusa closed in August while Rolling Thunder was open until the park closed at the end of the year. Why wouldn't SFMM keep Colossus open until the end up the busy season unless they wanted to get work started early?

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I'm not blinded by anything. I'm using sound judgment. If they close Colossus and announce a wing coaster when everybody is anticipating an RMC, then the whole project will backfire. Run a cost benefit analysis and people would be happier with a broken down colossus than with an unexpected new ride, if that new ride is not the ride that the public is anticipating. In this scenario, why spend 10-25 million dollars if people are going to be upset? The answer is, you wouldn't. You wouldn't insulate yourself from your audience so blatantly.

 

I honestly think the audience that MM targets will eat wing coasters up. Remember, most of their customers are not coaster enthusiasts and are not aware of any potential this project can unleash. In fact, I'm willing to bet most of them don't even know what a Rocky Mountain conversion is.

 

I agree with you here. Also, I don't understand the attitude that Goooose has where it's a Rocky Mountain conversion or a wing rider. Why not something else? The better part of me believes that a water park expansion is highly probable. Or, why not something totally outlandish? Here's some speculation of my own: Imagine the park building a new front entrance over that way. It's centrally located in the parking lot and there would be more then enough room for a massive renovation to build a whole new front entrance. Then, they take out the old front entrance to the park which is located way out of the way now, take down the old structures, and build a new major roller coaster over there, by the Full Throttle plaza. A serious park restructuring for the better, a larger water park, and a new roller coaster. That would be exciting to me.

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^ Last year it was one of the last days of August.

 

Well we all saw it coming. Heck, they stopped running the one side ages ago. So heres my two cents about what they need to do to this. Make each side different. Different maneuvers and make them duel and race. Have the track do a barrel roll, flipping the track over to the other side. Have them intertwine. Have each side have different epic elements. To turn around, one side has an overbank, the other has a dive loop. Have one side do a vertical drop, the other has the Medusa: Steel Coaster drop. You get the point. Will all of that happen? Probably not. The other thing I'd like to see is a different color of track other than orange or red. I'd be interested in seeing how the color works with the white wood, since this would be the first RMC hybrid that doesn't have the traditional brown wood.

 

I personally think that SF should keep the sides somewhat similar, especially on the first drop, because two different drops just, for me, doesn't seem right. Find a way to integrate different elements into each track, but keep them essentially the same and not different enough for it to be weird.

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I'm not blinded by anything. I'm using sound judgment. If they close Colossus and announce a wing coaster when everybody is anticipating an RMC, then the whole project will backfire. Run a cost benefit analysis and people would be happier with a broken down colossus than with an unexpected new ride, if that new ride is not the ride that the public is anticipating. In this scenario, why spend 10-25 million dollars if people are going to be upset? The answer is, you wouldn't. You wouldn't insulate yourself from your audience so blatantly.

 

I honestly think the audience that MM targets will eat wing coasters up. Remember, most of their customers are not coaster enthusiasts and are not aware of any potential this project can unleash. In fact, I'm willing to bet most of them don't even know what a Rocky Mountain conversion is.

 

That's fine. The general public in no market is more informed than another about ride types or manufacturers, but there is an enthusiast population that speaks on behalf of them, and whose voices are heard loud and clear by park planners, ride designers, etc. Look at all the FREE consulting advice we give parks on these message boards and other similar websites on a daily basis. Parks can look at this form of public opinion as well as toward previous cases to inform decision-making. The park knows that they can knock the ball out of the park with an RMC based on the success stories so far in Texas.

 

Okay, I see where you're coming from. MM has a history of prefering quantity over quality and tends to build for the titles. Yes, there will be an out cry if our RMC theories are false (I highly doubt this though). But if they did went ahead and actually demolished Colossus for another gimmicky coaster, it will still attract their targeted crowd and in turn make a profit. Us enthusiasts can kick and squal all we want, but we will eventually head on out and try the new ride ourselves (well, most of us anyways ). Will this strategy accumulate more money than the RMC? Of course not. But it will pay well if the new addition was cheap enough. Not only that, two coasters can probably fit in Colossus' space with this stragtegy.

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I'm not blinded by anything. I'm using sound judgment. If they close Colossus and announce a wing coaster when everybody is anticipating an RMC, then the whole project will backfire. Run a cost benefit analysis and people would be happier with a broken down colossus than with an unexpected new ride, if that new ride is not the ride that the public is anticipating. In this scenario, why spend 10-25 million dollars if people are going to be upset? The answer is, you wouldn't. You wouldn't insulate yourself from your audience so blatantly.

 

I honestly think the audience that MM targets will eat wing coasters up. Remember, most of their customers are not coaster enthusiasts and are not aware of any potential this project can unleash. In fact, I'm willing to bet most of them don't even know what a Rocky Mountain conversion is.

 

I agree with you here. Also, I don't understand the attitude that Goooose has where it's a Rocky Mountain conversion or a wing rider. Why not something else? The better part of me believes that a water park expansion is highly probable. Or, why not something totally outlandish? Here's some speculation of my own: Imagine the park building a new front entrance over that way. It's centrally located in the parking lot and there would be more then enough room for a massive renovation to build a whole new front entrance. Then, they take out the old front entrance to the park which is located way out of the way now, take down the old structures, and build a new major roller coaster over there, by the YOLOcoaster plaza. A serious park restructuring for the better, a larger water park, and a new roller coaster. That would be exciting to me.

 

I think the wing coaster suggestion was merely an example of another cheap and gimmicky coaster. But, as much as I love the thought of Six Flags constructing a new entrance, I believe its very unlikely at the moment. I mean, they just recently installed those biometric finger scanners at the original entrance.

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I'm not blinded by anything. I'm using sound judgment. If they close Colossus and announce a wing coaster when everybody is anticipating an RMC, then the whole project will backfire. Run a cost benefit analysis and people would be happier with a broken down colossus than with an unexpected new ride, if that new ride is not the ride that the public is anticipating. In this scenario, why spend 10-25 million dollars if people are going to be upset? The answer is, you wouldn't. You wouldn't insulate yourself from your audience so blatantly.

 

I honestly think the audience that MM targets will eat wing coasters up. Remember, most of their customers are not coaster enthusiasts and are not aware of any potential this project can unleash. In fact, I'm willing to bet most of them don't even know what a Rocky Mountain conversion is.

 

That's fine. The general public in no market is more informed than another about ride types or manufacturers, but there is an enthusiast population that speaks on behalf of them, and whose voices are heard loud and clear by park planners, ride designers, etc. Look at all the FREE consulting advice we give parks on these message boards and other similar websites on a daily basis. Parks can look at this form of public opinion as well as toward previous cases to inform decision-making. The park knows that they can knock the ball out of the park with an RMC based on the success stories so far in Texas.

 

Okay, I see where you're coming from. MM has a history of prefering quantity over quality and tends to build for the titles. Yes, there will be an out cry if our RMC theories are false (I highly doubt this though). But if they did went ahead and actually demolished Colossus for another gimmicky coaster, it will still attract their targeted crowd and in turn make a profit. Us enthusiasts can kick and squal all we want, but we will eventually head on out and try the new ride ourselves (well, most of us anyways ). Will this strategy accumulate more money than the RMC? Of course not. But it will pay well if the new addition was cheap enough. Not only that, two coasters can probably fit in Colossus' space with this stragtegy.

SFMM Park Managment: "This is a brilliant idea! Quick! Give RMC a call that we changed our minds about the Colossus redo! We We can get our 20th coaster in sooner than later. Give Togo and Vekoma a call!"

 

SFMM already has a wing coaster.

 

I expect this to be a Rocky Mountain coaster. But most definitely not a wing coaster.

A wing coaster would be incredibly pointless as X2 has that same feel.

 

I have a theory: Anyone notice the 'Win a trip to see GOLIATH at SFGAm" adverts around the park? Here's a theory.....what if we're getting a clone of that, but it's renamed...."SON of GOLIATH"

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A new entrance would be amazing over there, and an integration with the coaster's structure would be even more spectacular, a la Gatekeeper, but with a big, white wooden structure . I dig your ideas, but for me, it doesn't change the probability of what the make and model will be and the land use they are planning. New coasters, and steel coasters, are more expensive. Longer steel coasters with three train operation require mid course break runs usually and the projects are very expensive overall just to build short rides. Colossus was built at a time that, while it was a huge and expensive investment, it was easier to make. Commodities are so much more expensive now due to global demand for fewer resources, and money has lost its value/purchasing power. They would be smart to keep the structure and Ibox the whole thing. They would have two coasters with three-train operation on each, and a track length over 5000 feet on each, and the project is basically half finished because its already there! Remove the whole thing and replace it with two coasters and you are spending upwards of 40 million dollars.

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I think we can rule out a wing coaster or any other B&M, didn't MM say they'd never spend $20 mil on a single attraction ever again??? Plus X2 is technically a wing coaster anyway

 

 

I was basically using a wing coaster as an example of another cheap installation like Yolo-coaster. I personally believe it's gonna be the Iron-horse treatment.

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Okay, lets think about this. What stupid record will MM go after with this? First wooden Coaster with three lift hills? First wooden coaster with a launch? Largest loop on a wooden coaster to match their record for the loop on YOLO? This should be good!

How about just simply "Tallest. longest, & Fastest racing hybrid coaster?"

 

Seems like that would be a perfect marking statement for them!

 

--Robb "Seems like it would be easy to beat Gemini" Alvey

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^ Exactly my thoughts. I'm still trying to figure out why people are skeptical about it NOT being Iron Colossus. To me, its as plain as day that this is happening. Its like the park practically spelled it out for us.

 

Six Flags has an "interest" in removing classic attractions, such as Log Jammer and Rolling Thunder, so Colossus being torn down is a possibility. Though, Iron Colossus is likely, it is definitely not certain.

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Here's some speculation of my own: Imagine the park building a new front entrance over that way. It's centrally located in the parking lot and there would be more then enough room for a massive renovation to build a whole new front entrance. Then, they take out the old front entrance to the park which is located way out of the way now, take down the old structures, and build a new major roller coaster over there, by the YOLOcoaster plaza. A serious park restructuring for the better, a larger water park, and a new roller coaster. That would be exciting to me.

 

I love this idea. But of course they'd never do it. Especially if they could make the two sides of Colossus different so they could call them 2 different coasters and hit 20.

 

(It would totally be a great opportunity, though, to do something about the parking lot under Scream.)

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If everyone for the past year had been saying "They're going to give the iron horse treatment to Colossus in 2015/16!" and then 2015 comes along and they start clearing land behind Riddler's Revenge, it would be obvious we were wrong. Oh what do you know, they are closing Colossus! Drops mic. Walks off stage.

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Okay, lets think about this. What stupid record will MM go after with this? First wooden Coaster with three lift hills? First wooden coaster with a launch? Largest loop on a wooden coaster to match their record for the loop on YOLO? This should be good!

How about just simply "Tallest. longest, & Fastest racing hybrid coaster?"

 

Seems like that would be a perfect marking statement for them!

 

--Robb "Seems like it would be easy to beat Gemini" Alvey

As a marketing major, i absolutely find such tag lines and gimmicks to be lazy, especially in a world where the top brands are marketed based on their value, obviously MM still seems to think records are what brings booties into their parks. At the end of the day, though, everyone and their mom knows collosus. It doesnt have to break any records, it just has to be fucking good. The PR machine will do most of the work for SFMM

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How about just simply "Tallest. longest, & Fastest racing hybrid coaster?"
hehehe yes! And best!

 

Six Flags has an "interest" in removing classic attractions

 

Guess that depends on where you go. Great America has kept Whizzer (and it runs like new), Logger's Run, Yankee Clipper, etc. East River Crawler (formerly Lobster) re-opened last year after over a year in rehab (and just had it's 2nd "airtime" motor restored this year; it too is running like new!). I know the original SF parks ADORE their classic Schwarzkopfs (Mind Bender and Shock Wave).

 

Magic Mountain is run a bit different, I know. Didn't the park president say Colossus was "off limits" in regards to removal a few years ago? I also remember something about the park wanting to RMC re-do the ride, but leave it's classic look alone. Even if the whole thing had topper track put on with new trains (and that double dip!), it could be a great ride. Then of course there is that POV that was posted then removed from youtube a few weeks ago showing "Iron Colossus." I didn't see it, but I know a few did!

 

I think the park will eventually get to fixing Revolution as well. It could be a smart business move if done right.

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I'd like to point out that both SFOT and SFFT marketed the closure of Texas Giant and Rattler, respectively, in a similar manner to what was done here:

 

 

 

Conversely, rides like Rolling Thunder didn't even get a proper advertisement of their closure in-park, which leads me to believe that they'll be taking the I-Box route with this one.

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