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As someone who spent time working some of the flats at SFMM (Spin Out, Gearworks, Atom Smasher)…I can tell you no one cares about flat rides at SFMM. I rarely saw more than a 2 or 3 cycle wait for any of those rides. Only Sandblasters got long lines, if you consider bumper cars a flat ride. Tim Burkhart was right when he said they are hard to market and get ROI on.

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^ If amusement parks put unique flats and not ones like himalaya, music express, tilt a whirl, scrambler, wipe out, tornado, etc than more people would ride them. I do not always ride the common flats unless there is something about them that stands out. You can ride all of the standard flats at local carnivals. There are exceptions to this rule like almost all flats at Knoebels or many at Indiana Beach.

 

Parks, especially big parks like a Six Flags or Cedar Fair, should invest in unique flats. They should see what other countries are offering and see if there is possibility to bring these rides to the states.

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La rev at Knotts always has a line. And it processes pretty quick. I would say alilstronger is correct. Unique flats still attract lines. I remember the very long lines with Z-force years ago at MM

 

Thank you for agreeing.

 

When I was at Canada's Wonderland Sledgehammer had a really long line. Now I know that is a ride that is down a lot but the queue stayed full all day and it did not go down the whole time I was there.

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^ If amusement parks put unique flats and not ones like himalaya, music express, tilt a whirl, scrambler, wipe out, tornado, etc than more people would ride them. I do not always ride the common flats unless there is something about them that stands out. You can ride all of the standard flats at local carnivals. There are exceptions to this rule like almost all flats at Knoebels or many at Indiana Beach.

 

Parks, especially big parks like a Six Flags or Cedar Fair, should invest in unique flats. They should see what other countries are offering and see if there is possibility to bring these rides to the states.

Agree. With the flats that SFMM has it's no wonder no one cares about them, they're everywhere. When I was at Cedar Point last summer there was considerable interest in MaxxAir which had a pretty long line (and apprently does so regularly enough to warrant a FastLane queue), and while I was standing near the non-operating Skyhawk there was a steady stream of people walking up, finding out it was down, and making disappointed remarks about wishing it was open. I was pretty disappointed myself that it was down, I would have loved to have ridden that one.

 

If SFMM would get some unique or even unusual flats I would think they could do pretty well with them, but when it comes to flats its like they either have no imagination or no faith, or both.

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^ When I was at CP this past summer Skyhawk was open and had a pretty much full queue all 3 days I was there. I was so glad it was part of Fast Lane. MaxxAir had long lines all 3 days too.

 

Skyhawk and Maxair have better airtime than the coasters at SFMM. (I haven't been there since FT was built.)

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Skyhawk and Maxair have better airtime than the coasters at SFMM. (I haven't been there since FT was built.)

Sad but true^

 

Hopefully the rumored Iron Colossus gets built into an airtime machine. I'd rather it not have any added inversions since SFMM has more than enough coasters that go upside down..

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Does anyone have any knowledge on the average attendance at SFMM? Im curious to see if having so many coasters really does add to their attendance with each new coaster. I figure they must have a high attendance rate if they can have weekends with each ride being above a 30 minute wait... that could also just be due to the ride dispatching teams.

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I still don't understand why it was necessary to build Speedy Gonzales when the three existing kiddie coasters rarely have any line.

 

Well, congrats to Magic Mountain on claiming the world record on the most coasters, oh wait, they already have it...

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The difference between a flat ride and a coaster is, as Tim Burkhart said, return on investment. Coasters more easily allow a park to sell merch, on-ride photos, and develop entire lands around than a flat ride would.

 

Flats are great complimentary attractions, but aside from using kiddie coasters to cheaply maintain their "most coaster" records, it's obvious SFMM isn't in the business of "complimentary" attractions.

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I am a huge supporter of flat rides, as it seems most of us are, but I do wonder if SFMM even needs them. It's true, they're great complimentary attractions, but when you have a park with enough roller coasters to round out a day with leftovers to spare, how many people are going to schedule in time for a flat? I go on the flats at Knott's because I have to in order to stay for more than a few hours, SFMM doesn't have that problem.

 

 

Also, to bring up a topic from a few pages ago, do you folks think the structure is wide enough to support two different tracks? Clearance between the two tracks isn't much of an issue when they never stray away from each other, their clearance envelope simply overlaps each other's, but if you have one track raising and one falling, suddenly where there used to be open space you have a bunch of supports. I'm not saying its impossible, I'm sure it is, but I'm also not sure it's as simple as we think it is...

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I still think it's interesting the park decided to remove rides to add the new coaster. Sure, it only ends up being the one train that was taken out since they're relocating the bird cages, but I feel like it would have been nicer for them to just expand on what they already had. Even with all the love that the park is giving to that whole section, walking by in what's left of the High Sierra Territory is still going to feel really empty. It's nice to have a quiet section of the park with the Golden Bear theater and Pistachio Park, but I think that was the perfect opportunity for them to expand it. If you're going to remodel the kids area, why not expand it to make it even bigger? Otherwise, I'm actually a fan of the whole Speedy Gonzalez theme for the new coaster.

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*Technically* speaking, the last new flat ride that was added was Lex Luthor's, although most people don't think of drop rides as flats, but they are considered that.

 

Does anyone have any knowledge on the average attendance at SFMM? Im curious to see if having so many coasters really does add to their attendance with each new coaster. I figure they must have a high attendance rate if they can have weekends with each ride being above a 30 minute wait... that could also just be due to the ride dispatching teams.

 

It's not really the average attendance that counts, it's the what happens when they don't build a new coaster. If they gain nothing by adding a new coaster, but lose 250,000 by not building one just for instance, it makes sense they are going to build a new one.

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Speedy looks like a cute installation for that area of the park. I hope also they get one of those "spinning coasters" from IAPPA (great video coverage of that!), which I believe is going into Silverwood. For coaster #20, probably should be something special. For SFMM, I think if they stay focused on the coaster path, that at least gives them an identity that is different in the local marketplace. They will never be able to compete with Universal or Disney for family attractions. But it is beyond rare for Universal and Disney to build coasters, and that gives SFMM a marketable and cost effective selling point.

 

Generally, I actually do not want to see LA County fair style flat rides in SFMM at all. For the balancing of the park's attraction roster, instead of flats, would much rather seem them pursue Sally Corp. for an interactive dark ride, some kind of film based motion sim ride, better live entertainment, etc.

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