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Totally agreed with your comments Robb. The kiddie coaster makes absolutely no sense to me. They have 3 now and none of them ever have a line, even on the busiest of days. I would have been less surprised if they had said they were removing Bugs Bunny World and putting in another coaster. We actually walked through BBW a bit on Saturday and the area is totally void of any personality ... or people.

 

I'm still hoping for some improvements to the YOLOcoaster area once the offseason comes (after Fright Fest) but I'm not holding my breath.

 

Not entirely true, In the peak summer season both Canyon Blaster and Road Runner Express have lines.

So what you're saying is that you have to go on the top busiest days of the year for those rides to have any sort of lines?

 

That just further shows how the park doesn't cater to families.

Agreed, One look at the Yoloplaza stage will show they are moving to the teens and not the families. The fourth coaster in the kiddies area is for coaster count only.

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Rode Apocalypse, that thing is rough ... REALLY rough. It's now the 2nd best woodie in the park (IMO).

Agree. Apocalypse has gotten really rough and Colossus has somehow gotten smoother. (Not smooth, but smoothER.) Ive really enjoyed my last few Colossus rides and cannot say the same for Apocalypse.

100% completely agree. I took my very first ride on it in the early evening before WCB night ERT started, and didn't even care to go back to ride it during ERT. When I was in the queue, I looked closely at the track to see (and hear, it was squeaking in the turns) that there was no grease on it. When it opened as Terminator in 2009, I guessed it would get rough in less than 5 years due to poor maintenance, and I guessed right. It felt like the train was running on octagonal wheels (by 2015 it will feel like hexagonal wheels, and by 2020 square wheels considering how poorly maintained it is as of now), and I got off with a headache and feeling like my spine had been compressed.

 

I'm NEVER riding it again until the highly unlikely event (it's SFMM, what do you expect?) of a major retrack, and expect to only see reports of it getting rough to the point of being unrideable. Really hoping CGA takes care of Gold Striker the way they are taking care of Grizzly now, as I would hate to see it get rough as well (I've got my hopes up since CGA has a proper off-season).

 

 

I don't think you have to worry about Gold Striker, CGA does a good job taking care of their rides. SFMM on the other hand, well......

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Rode Apocalypse, that thing is rough ... REALLY rough. It's now the 2nd best woodie in the park (IMO).

Agree. Apocalypse has gotten really rough and Colossus has somehow gotten smoother. (Not smooth, but smoothER.) Ive really enjoyed my last few Colossus rides and cannot say the same for Apocalypse.

100% completely agree. I took my very first ride on it in the early evening before WCB night ERT started, and didn't even care to go back to ride it during ERT. When I was in the queue, I looked closely at the track to see (and hear, it was squeaking in the turns) that there was no grease on it. When it opened as Terminator in 2009, I guessed it would get rough in less than 5 years due to poor maintenance, and I guessed right. It felt like the train was running on octagonal wheels (by 2015 it will feel like hexagonal wheels, and by 2020 square wheels considering how poorly maintained it is as of now), and I got off with a headache and feeling like my spine had been compressed.

 

I'm NEVER riding it again until the highly unlikely event (it's SFMM, what do you expect?) of a major retrack, and expect to only see reports of it getting rough to the point of being unrideable. Really hoping CGA takes care of Gold Striker the way they are taking care of Grizzly now, as I would hate to see it get rough as well (I've got my hopes up since CGA has a proper off-season).

 

Agreed. If any ride can use an Iron horse at Magic Mountain it's Apocalypse. It already has the twists and speed that will make it right for an Iron horse.

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I don't think that the only answer for Apocalypse at this point is an RMC makeover. It's not so far gone that it needs that. It just needs some love and these short "emergency" shut downs aren't going to cut it. After FF it needs to go down until Spring Break and get some track work done. Doesn't need to be complete, just needs some work, trains need some work, and some grease on the track/wheels.

 

Roar up at SFDK needs the same thing but now that that park has gone year round I don't see it happening anytime soon.

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I don't think that the only answer for Apocalypse at this point is an RMC makeover. It's not so far gone that it needs that. It just needs some love and these short "emergency" shut downs aren't going to cut it. After FF it needs to go down until Spring Break and get some track work done. Doesn't need to be complete, just needs some work, trains need some work, and some grease on the track/wheels.

 

Roar up at SFDK needs the same thing but now that that park has gone year round I don't see it happening anytime soon.

 

I agree that it just needs work...But they have too many coasters and not enough maintenance people to handle what they have now. How long have they been running one train on scream?

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Even back in July I didn't notice Apocalypse being rough (granted, I only rode once), but on Saturday it felt like it was shaking consistently through the entire course. Could it be related to whatever caused the recent closure? Regardless, I enjoyed my rides on it and could've ridden more. It certainly wasn't unrideable, and I'd still take it any day over Roar or Ghostrider, but it clearly needs some work.

 

So during lunch they had an informal Q&A with Neil, and the following questions came up:

Q: Sky Screamer? A: No, especially given the problems Knott's had with Windseeker (yes, I know that they're made by different manufacturers, but still, there you have it).

Q: X-Flight (ie. B&M Wingrider)? A: No, not in the foreseeable future, since they already have the 4D aspect covered with X2 and Green Lantern.

Q: Dark ride? A: They're considered it, but since they're going for the Thrill Capital thing, they weren't sure they'd be able to make a dark ride thrilling enough to match the rest of the park.

Q: Water ride? A: They've considered it.

Q: Batman backwards, one train or two? A: Two

Q: RMC (Colossus or otherwise)? A: They didn't really confirm or deny anything. Unlike previous years where they were obviously very enthusiastic about RMC, this year they were pretty quiet on the subject.

Q: Colossus racing? A: Not next year.

Q: Deja Vu's spot? Flashback's spot? A: They have plans for those spots.

 

Anyways, I had a fantastic time at WCB! Crowds were lower than I'd expected, and I had at least one ride on almost everything (except Green Lantern, and X2 of course), with five rides on YOLOcoaster (and could've gotten more rides if I'd wanted to). I also really enjoyed my first time on LL:DoD. Everything was running pretty well, except Apocalypse, and one train on a few rides (Apocalypse, Scream, and probably a few others). Colossus was especially smooth, and I got a couple nice spots of airtime.

 

Also, we got stuck once on S:EFK. We launched about halfway down, then started braking, barely went up the tower, went back into the launch section, then went back toward the tower. From that point they had to slowly winch us back to the launch section, then the magnets took over from there in getting us back to the station. After we got off they gave us a skip the line pass for our group for any ride in the park besides YOLOcoaster.

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I'll agree that Apocalypse has gotten rougher over the summer but a few people here are acting like it's the return of Psyclone or something. It's no longer what I would consider smooth, but there weren't any jarring, painful spots like a number of the older GCIs out there.

 

I had a great time at WCB by the way! Full Throttle was better than I expected and I picked up two credits on Roadrunner Express and Canyon Blaster that for some reason I had never bothered with.

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Also, we got stuck once on S:EFK. We launched about halfway down, then started braking, barely went up the tower, went back into the launch section, then went back toward the tower. From that point they had to slowly winch us back to the launch section, then the magnets took over from there in getting us back to the station. After we got off they gave us a skip the line pass for our group for any ride in the park besides YOLOcoaster.

I was on that train too! They gave you a front of the line pass on any other ride? We asked one of the ops and she said we could come back and skip the line on just Superman.

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Another SFMM rant, now that I can officially complain about the park. And I *highly doubt* that they'd even care to fix it, even if they do read these boards. This goes back to the poor customer service thing last week. So, morning ERT has ended and my group and I were extremely thirsty and getting rather hot. Absolutely NO food places were open. I asked one of the workers if there was any place that is open where we can get water/fill up our souvenir cups. Answer I get is "These places open at 11:30" (Lunch time for us). I ask again, "Is there anything near by that would be open so we can get something." (Superman passes by as we were by the food court by Goliath)...lady we were speaking to uses that opportunity to 'not hear us' and just walk off. Thank's for the help, ma'am!

 

But wait, not done yet! Us being not 100% familiar with every nook and cranny of the park come lunch time, I ask an employee where the picnic area is. Again, they just walk by, no answer. I did in fact speak loud enough. Finally somebody directed us where to go. All of this was completely polar opposite of what I experienced at Knott's (who were extremely friendly and pretty much had open arm toward us).

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Wow, after just getting back from WCB, I'm surprised to hear all the Apocolypse discontent here.

I rode it for the first time ever at WCB last year, 18 months later I thought it was running even better. Everytime that train stopped I was grinning and thinking, "this is the best ride in the park".

I would never even consider the word rough in attempting to describe Apocolypse, not sure what you guys are used to riding.

We got 6 on it at ERT including the last 3 where we didn't even have to get out of our seats.

Apocolypse Rules!

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Wow, after just getting back from WCB, I'm surprised to hear all the Apocolypse discontent here.

I rode it for the first time ever at WCB last year, 18 months later I thought it was running even better. Everytime that train stopped I was grinning and thinking, "this is the best ride in the park".

 

Agreed, I had an awesome ride on it at WCB. When I rode it two months ago, I had a much rougher ride and was considering skipping it this time around. I'm glad I didn't! However, I only rode it once on Saturday because of 1 train operation.

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Another SFMM rant, now that I can officially complain about the park. And I *highly doubt* that they'd even care to fix it, even if they do read these boards. This goes back to the poor customer service thing last week. So, morning ERT has ended and my group and I were extremely thirsty and getting rather hot. Absolutely NO food places were open. I asked one of the workers if there was any place that is open where we can get water/fill up our souvenir cups. Answer I get is "These places open at 11:30" (Lunch time for us). I ask again, "Is there anything near by that would be open so we can get something." (Superman passes by as we were by the food court by Goliath)...lady we were speaking to uses that opportunity to 'not hear us' and just walk off. Thank's for the help, ma'am!

 

But wait, not done yet! Us being not 100% familiar with every nook and cranny of the park come lunch time, I ask an employee where the picnic area is. Again, they just walk by, no answer. I did in fact speak loud enough. Finally somebody directed us where to go. All of this was completely polar opposite of what I experienced at Knott's (who were extremely friendly and pretty much had open arm toward us).

 

I have to say that I definitely have the same complaint. After morning ERT ended I was in the back of the park in the Riddler's/Apocalypse area, and found that nothing was open! Had to go all the way back to YOLOcoaster Plaza to get souvenir bottle refills. I get that SFMM is a fairly large park and that the back area of the park isn't going to be busy at opening, but would it have killed them to open ONE drink stand?!?! At the very least they could have opened Studio 6F next to Gold Rusher- it has a Coke Freestyle machine inside!

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And in the end, all we were looking for is some ice cold non metallic water. I ended up using a drinking fountain to fill up my cup (near Goliath, the restroom near Scream was the fountain I used last time that was quite toxic...not to mention the fact that the water pressure there was minimal. I just couldn't believe something as simple as a lemonade/drink stand would not open with the park, and we would have to venture all the way back up to the front of the park disrupting our flow we were trying to keep. I made up for it during lunch and made sure I kept myself well hydrated as it was getting excessively hot and I had yet to climb any of the hills...in which I was actually beginning to feel a bit drained when I headed from picnic area up to Viper's platform.

 

Long story short: SFMM, it's a hot day, you're in the middle of an effing desert...it's a Saturday...at least have some smaller drink locations open!

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The guest service part is typical SFMM and unacceptable, but I don't entirely fault the park for not having anything open at the back end of the park in the morning. They ARE a business. No point in opening a venue that you know is not going to have enough sales to justify the cost of opening early. If you were the head of the foods department, you would do the exact same thing---because your job depends on it. The same thing happens at every single park in the country, with the only exceptions being the extremely busy days.

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It makes sense to not open food shops until people actually want food, it just costs extra for employees to sit and do nothing. The people running breakfast at Wascal's did let us back in to get some ice water since we were seriously thirsty, which was nice, since they didn't have to let us back in.

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It makes sense to not open food shops until people actually want food, it just costs extra for employees to sit and do nothing. The people running breakfast at Wascal's did let us back in to get some ice water since we were seriously thirsty, which was nice, since they didn't have to let us back in.

Speaking of Wascal's, those donuts were good! Can I say the unfathomable and say that those donuts were almost as good as Krispy Kream's?

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The guest service part is typical SFMM and unacceptable, but I don't entirely fault the park for not having anything open at the back end of the park in the morning. They ARE a business. No point in opening a venue that you know is not going to have enough sales to justify the cost of opening early. If you were the head of the foods department, you would do the exact same thing---because your job depends on it. The same thing happens at every single park in the country, with the only exceptions being the extremely busy days.

 

What irked me more was the fact that there was no kind of help whatsoever, no direction or info on if there were any shops or anything open up front. I don't know this park inside out as I don't visit the place often...so I wouldn't know which places do cup refills and such. I asked if there were any places nearby that would be open when the lady happens to walk off...as soon as I finished asking, SEFK passes by overhead and just as that happens, the lady ditches us. Frustrating for sure!

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While I am a younger person and therefore this may not apply always, at pretty much every Cedar Fair and Six Flags I've been to recently the rule was (at most places) that you can get a free cup of water if you ask. Panda Express near Viper does it too, they even have blue cups with the Chinese 水 (water) written on them.

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Also, we got stuck once on S:EFK. We launched about halfway down, then started braking, barely went up the tower, went back into the launch section, then went back toward the tower. From that point they had to slowly winch us back to the launch section, then the magnets took over from there in getting us back to the station. After we got off they gave us a skip the line pass for our group for any ride in the park besides YOLOcoaster.

I was on that train too! They gave you a front of the line pass on any other ride? We asked one of the ops and she said we could come back and skip the line on just Superman.

Yeah, it just said "No YOLOcoaster" and had the number in our group (5). We used it on Scream, since it only had the one train going. There were several employees handing out the passes, which is probably why they each did things differently.

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The guest service part is typical SFMM and unacceptable, but I don't entirely fault the park for not having anything open at the back end of the park in the morning. They ARE a business. No point in opening a venue that you know is not going to have enough sales to justify the cost of opening early. If you were the head of the foods department, you would do the exact same thing---because your job depends on it. The same thing happens at every single park in the country, with the only exceptions being the extremely busy days.

 

What irked me more was the fact that there was no kind of help whatsoever, no direction or info on if there were any shops or anything open up front. I don't know this park inside out as I don't visit the place often...so I wouldn't know which places do cup refills and such. I asked if there were any places nearby that would be open when the lady happens to walk off...as soon as I finished asking, SEFK passes by overhead and just as that happens, the lady ditches us. Frustrating for sure!

 

That's an entirely different issue than simply not having the venues open. SFMM deserves crap for that. Not for keeping places closed that are guaranteed to lose money if they opened early.

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