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If I ran the park I would invest in infrastructure and small rides like flats for a few years before adding another big coaster. Probably not the thing that would draw crowds in the short run but pay for itself in the long run making a better park experience for all.

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Oh hell I'll just be honest here. If I was running the park in a world where I had unlimited money, then I might go ahead and turn SFMM into my dream RCT park. However in a world where my job depended on the park turning a profit, I would place my focus on what ride was going to give me the highest return on my investment. Super awesome launched looping aquatrax is going to make more money then is family rides or theming for Scream!

 

If the park is ever going to make a serious push to become more family friendly I think the more likely thing to see happen would be a setup where the park adds a coaster, then a few family/flat rides the following year, followed by a coaster in year three. I think it's unlikely that we see the park going long distances between coasters, as they are what brings the crowds.

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^^ Think if they held off on building Yolocoaster for another two or three years and focused on smaller investments and necessary improvements. I think that Yolocoaster would have a larger, more expansive layout and not be short and (dare I say) gimmicky. Unfortunately, they've pretty much scared off many families and are going to have to really try hard if they want to win them back in the future. While I do not know much about the Jay Thomas era, from what I heard he was a great GM and knew what the park needed. Who is the new guy anyway?

EDIT: Sorry, didn't know their gender

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If I ran the park I would invest in infrastructure and small rides like flats for a few years before adding another big coaster. Probably not the thing that would draw crowds in the short run but pay for itself in the long run making a better park experience for all.

 

Exactly. Not to mention the cost of ignoring infrastructure is a lot more in the long run as well. As an example, remember Jay Thomas talking about how they had to completely overhaul their IT infrastructure a few years ago? Trying to squeeze every last dollar out of something ended up costing SFMM a few million bucks to modernize it.

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SFMM had a pretty good year after Lex opened. I am hoping that gives the upper management the encouragement to pursue other non-coaster attractions for the future. If SFNE loses Twister, SFMM certainly can use that. Generally though, I don't think the park needs traditional flat rides. What has been killing it in the local market have been the dark rides like RSR and Transformers. If they could tap into part of that trend, I think it would help overall. Part of Full Throttle's expense is the improvements to the infrastructure, with the new supposed high energy area around the coaster installation. Hope after Full Throttle opens, they still keep working towards improving the area. I was encouraged a few years back with the work done around Batman, and hope to see that push continue.

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Here is my rating of all the coasters at SFMM that I rode. Ratings may be somewhat relative to the type of coaster - a 5/10 kiddie coaster is different than a 5/10 hyper coaster.

 

Apocalypse - 7.5/10 - A good ride with some pops of airtime and great scenery in the queue.

 

Batman - 7/10 - This cloned inverted coaster can give an intense ride, but sounds horrible on the lift hill. Seriously, it bangs and squeaks during dispatch and the lift.

 

Canyon Blaster - Didn't ride

 

Colossus - 5 or 6/10 - This would be a good ride, but it is neutered and has some poor design. The train slows to a near-stop upon reaching the top of the lift hill. In the back, you are slammed to the side on the kinked first drop. If you sit in front, you may get some airtime going into the first turnaround. The speed hill and double up has no airtime, and the block brake (the point of most neutering) slowed the ride down, if memory serves. This caused the ride to crawl through the final big turn. The ride doesn't need topper track or Iron Horse because it is rough - it seemed very smooth to me - but it really needs the RMC treatment to de-neuter it.

 

FT/YOLO - Won't get to ride it for a while, but I got to see quite a few test runs.

 

Gold Rusher - 6 or 7/10 for the type - A fun mine train that serves its purpose nicely. That is all.

 

Goliath - 7/10, maybe 6 - I honestly didn't really like this as much as one would think. The lift hill slowing sucks, and it probably contributes to the airtime hill's unusual sensation - despite throwing you into the lap bar, it doesn't seem that intense to me. Then is the second neuter point - the MCBR, which is somewhat necessary. The helix is intense, but in my opinion, wasn't intense as I thought it was hyped up to be. Maybe it is just me. Plus, the park seems to only own two trains despite this being a quite popular ride. Overall, another neutered coaster, although the neutering here makes a bit of sense.

 

Green Lantern - 5.5-7/10 - I don't know if I should like this or hate it. It is uncomfortable and throws you back and forth, along with having sudden trims and block brakes. It is balanced to not flip, and you are lucky to get one full flip in my opinion. But you might as well ride it - it is a unique ride and can be pretty fun, even if it is painful.

 

Magic Flyer - Didn't ride.

 

Ninja - 6.5/10, maybe 7 - A decent suspended coaster, and a fairly long ride compared to its other "megasuspended" cousins such as Flight Deck and Vortex. Not super swingy, however.

 

Revolution - 4.5-5/10, maybe a 6 at the highest - A mediocre ride. First of all, it is slow over its first few hills, although I would imagine it started off that way due to a lack of trims before these. It bangs your head a little due to the mutant variant of Schwarzkopf restraints. The restraints suck, but the headbanging is not constant throughout the ride. The worst part is the trims - the ride is trimmed to death right before the loop and while "threading" the loop.

 

Riddler - 6.5-7/10 - A good standup coaster, much smoother than Mantis. The trains (according to the ride op, a newer model) have seats that are harder to push down, but the coaster itself is good.

 

Road Runner Express - Didn't ride

 

Scream! - 6-7/10 maximum - I don't know why, but this ride struck me as mediocre. I just didn't really enjoy it. Maybe it was the cookie-cutter series of B&M elements, the single-train operation (warned about on a sign out front), or even the parking lot, but I just disliked it.

 

Superman - 6.75-7.75/10, depending on how you ride it - A unique and fun ride. Just follow my tips - fasten the restraint loosely, tell the op not to staple you, and hold it up until you are flying up the tower. Then you will experience zero-g at its finest.

 

Tatsu - 7-8/10 - A fine coaster. The lift hill gives a great view of the paths below and the pretzel loop is forceful, if not "confusing" somehow. 8 is an absolute maximum rating, because I thought the corkscrews were a bit repetitive.

 

Viper - 4-5.75/10 - The last of the mega-loopers is a headbanger. If memory serves, the second to front seat sucks up until the block brake. The second to back sucks in the batwing, but is fine everywhere else. I would imagine the middle is a better balance. Either way, it is sometimes hard to enjoy, but 4 is the absolute minimum.

 

X2 - 6-8/10 - I gave this a wide range. Why? The rocking as you rotate is uncomfortable and painful. However, the ride is unique and fun, and the fire effects can really freak you out (Why did it just get twice as hot here?) The ride would be amazing if they could fix the rocking.

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I don't know who made it but here is a fun history video with some cool old pictures...

 

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Very nice. I have such fond memories of all those lost rides. I think I welled up a tear in my eye. No, wait. Sorry, allergies. Still very nice to look at.

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For those who will be at the park on Friday. Not sure what rides will have ERT but worth checking out.

 

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^^ Think if they held off on building Yolocoaster for another two or three years and focused on smaller investments and necessary improvements. I think that Yolocoaster would have a larger, more expansive layout and not be short and (dare I say) gimmicky. Unfortunately, they've pretty much scared off many families and are going to have to really try hard if they want to win them back in the future. While I do not know much about the Jay Thomas era, from what I heard he was a great GM and knew what the park needed. Who is the new guy anyway?

 

The" new guy" is a woman - The Ice Queen aka Bonnie Rabjon. I may have spelled her name incorrectly, but the got the "Ice Queen" correct.

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What has been killing it in the local market have been the dark rides like RSR and Transformers. If they could tap into part of that trend, I think it would help overall.

 

Possibly, but SFMM don't have the sort of capital Universal and Disney are able to put into their dark rides. I mean, RSR cost $200m and Transformers was $100m against Yolocoaster's $6m. So the park will have to find other ways to bring in the crowds.

 

If I was running the park the first thing I'd do is improve the operations. I'd add a staff member to the more popular coasters to assign rows and maximise capacity (as is the current practice on GL and X2). On my last visit it wasn't uncommon to see 6-8 empty seats on some trains simply because some rows only had 1 or 2 riders. Extrapolate that across an hour (assuming one train dispatches every 2 minutes) and you could potentially get another 200-250 people on the ride, which would have a huge impact on wait times. Cost would be minimal, and it would actually make Flash passes more valuable since you wouldn't end up with 30 minute station waits after skipping the queue.

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^ Along the same lines (no pun intended) add some single rider lines, or worst case if there is no room for a SR line, have an operator call for single riders when possible. I really think you can get an SR line on just about anything if you want to.

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I just can't imagine SFMM getting a dark ride that wasn't done on the cheap. Even the Terminator theming was so-so but crapped out a few months in.

SFMM doesn't need to compete with Universal or Disney. Their strength is big and gimmicky coasters...as long as they get their season pass sales every year they're fine.

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^^ Think if they held off on building Yolocoaster for another two or three years and focused on smaller investments and necessary improvements. I think that Yolocoaster would have a larger, more expansive layout and not be short and (dare I say) gimmicky. Unfortunately, they've pretty much scared off many families and are going to have to really try hard if they want to win them back in the future. While I do not know much about the Jay Thomas era, from what I heard he was a great GM and knew what the park needed. Who is the new guy anyway?

 

The" new guy" is a woman - The Ice Queen aka Bonnie Rabjon. I may have spelled her name incorrectly, but the got the "Ice Queen" correct.

 

When I finally used my VIP tour my party and our guide were walking to ride Scream first. I asked the guide if the park manager was there (out of curiosity) and shes like "Oh we just passed her." I just found it weird she wouldn't at least say hi to the two VIP groups that were there. (saw a second VIP group going on Batman.)

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I just can't imagine SFMM getting a dark ride that wasn't done on the cheap. Even the Terminator theming was so-so but crapped out a few months in.

SFMM doesn't need to compete with Universal or Disney. Their strength is big and gimmicky coasters...as long as they get their season pass sales every year they're fine.

 

 

Since this thread has turned into Magic Mountain needs a dark ride... How about something like Justice League Alien Invasion? Cost a reported 9 Million Australian according to Sally.

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Just an FYI: having worked in this industry my entire adult life, I can tell you that most high ups are similar to the "ice queen." They walk the park, are friendly to guests who approach them, but are all business otherwise. It's just the way it is. They have so much to do behind the scenes, their walks in the parks are usually kept on a tight schedule.

 

Jay Thomas put on a fantastic show, but didn't do enough behind the scenes to keep his job.

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^Wasn't Jay Thomas promoted?

 

Technically, yes. He got moved to the corporate office first as "director of project management office" and currently serves as "corporate VP of information systems."

 

However, it is probably not a coincidence those jobs are "behind the scenes" jobs as opposed to something higher up in the operations side of things.

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^^ Think if they held off on building Yolocoaster for another two or three years and focused on smaller investments and necessary improvements. I think that Yolocoaster would have a larger, more expansive layout and not be short and (dare I say) gimmicky. Unfortunately, they've pretty much scared off many families and are going to have to really try hard if they want to win them back in the future. While I do not know much about the Jay Thomas era, from what I heard he was a great GM and knew what the park needed. Who is the new guy anyway?

 

The" new guy" is a woman - The Ice Queen aka Bonnie Rabjon. I may have spelled her name incorrectly, but the got the "Ice Queen" correct.

 

When I finally used my VIP tour my party and our guide were walking to ride Scream first. I asked the guide if the park manager was there (out of curiosity) and shes like "Oh we just passed her." I just found it weird she wouldn't at least say hi to the two VIP groups that were there. (saw a second VIP group going on Batman.)

 

This is exactly why I call her the "ICE QUEEN." She doesn't speak with guests, and for that manner any male employees. Not a good attitude for being in the "people business."

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^Wasn't Jay Thomas promoted?

 

Technically, yes. He got moved to the corporate office first as "director of project management office" and currently serves as "corporate VP of information systems."

 

However, it is probably not a coincidence those jobs are "behind the scenes" jobs as opposed to something higher up in the operations side of things.

 

Thanks for the update on Jay. I've always been a big fan! That's a shame they're not using his "people skills" at corporate. That's a big mistake! I'm glad at least he's still at 6 Flags. Just a great guy, based on all my experiences / observations.

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My last comment on Jay. The employee attitudes are mirrors of management. During Jay's reign, I found the staff to be the best since I've been coming to the Mountain. Now, they're like Bonnie's - aka Ice Queen.

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Just an FYI: having worked in this industry my entire adult life, I can tell you that most high ups are similar to the "ice queen." They walk the park, are friendly to guests who approach them, but are all business otherwise. It's just the way it is. They have so much to do behind the scenes, their walks in the parks are usually kept on a tight schedule.

 

Jay Thomas put on a fantastic show, but didn't do enough behind the scenes to keep his job.

 

I would have expected that he was all business, despite his friendly attitude. You don't run a multi million dollar business without being all business. As much as we may wish that it was, running a park is not like a real life version of RCT.

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