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What do you expect from the demographic who acquire a low level job at SFMM? Its kind of the nature of the beast.

 

True, but makes you wonder what happened to the "whatever your job is, do it as well as you can" idea.

 

Still, would the pay would be significantly different to that on offer at Knotts or Disneyland? Those parks don't seem to have a reputation for unprofessional staff. Company culture plays a huge role in employee behaviour.

Having worked for Disney and Knotts, I can say that Disney pays slightly better starting out and there is a greater potential to move up. There's also the hope of becoming full time which gives Disney employees benefits such as health and vacation time. Disney also provides a significant discount on vacation packages for its employees. Not to mention the perks of working for a company with a well respected and loved brand. People love disney, and if you work for Disney people will come up to you and tell you how cool they think that is. It helps to establish a sense of pride. If people care about what you're doing, you'll in return care. Not to say that there aren't people who are currently working for Disney that don't give a shit, but I feel in general most people do care and try to meet those high level of expectations.

 

Knott's on the other hand, I think they pull from a more enthusiastic bunch. The employees are still underpaid and it didn't seem like there was much hope to move up beyond shift lead. I personally didn't last more then 3 months at Knotts. I worked at Disney for over 2 years and would work there again under the right circumstances.

 

I agree with your idea about company culture though. I think my experiences reflect that. And its kind of one of those things where poisonous attitudes will continue to breed the same attitude among others and it seems like it would be nearly impossible to change. I think you'd see a huge difference between SFDK employees vs SFMM, but I feel that SFDK offers more to be proud of. It's not just a bunch of coasters spread out over a hill in the middle of the desert more or less.

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What do you expect from the demographic who acquire a low level job at SFMM? Its kind of the nature of the beast.

 

True, but makes you wonder what happened to the "whatever your job is, do it as well as you can" idea.

 

Still, would the pay would be significantly different to that on offer at Knotts or Disneyland? Those parks don't seem to have a reputation for unprofessional staff. Company culture plays a huge role in employee behaviour.

 

SFMM also goes down to Sylmar to recruit a good number of their employees. Sylmar is not known for being the best neighborhood in the San Fernando Valley (though it has its nice parts!). I think a big part of the 'gang' issue they had is because of this direct solicitation from a gang neighborhood...they would hire shady people, and then those shady peoples friends went to hang out at the park. While they have more or less taken care of that issue, the fact is that they still recruit from less-than-stellar high schools.

 

Anyway, I guess my point is that it's not like bad people are attracted to minimum wage jobs at sfmm, it's that sfmm goes TO the bad element and hires them! There are minimum wage workers out there that are pleasant and knowledable, so please don't blame the human being on the wage. I would imagine that it's a tough situation for sfmm to find good cheap labor considering the 'more' upper class neighborhood they are actually in where I would imagine a good number of teenagers leave for College.

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I think 2014 could be a year of Family focus for SFMM and gasp maybe even a dark ride In both survey's I took it seams like they are pushing for a dark ride of some kind.

I think a lot of parks have sent out that survey while I agree SFMM needs family attractions I wouldn't get my hopes up.

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I think 2014 could be a year of Family focus for SFMM and gasp maybe even a dark ride In both survey's I took it seams like they are pushing for a dark ride of some kind.

I think a lot of parks have sent out that survey while I agree SFMM needs family attractions I wouldn't get my hopes up.

 

I got the survey and I agree with you, not getting my hopes up. If Six Flags Corp really wants to make the public happy. They should listen to us and start a revamp of Magic Mountain! Lay off the rollercoaster building for about 2 years or more. Get some strategy going and really think about this park. Look at Knott’s Berry Farm; they do well without adding a coaster every year (well they don’t have the space). I would really like to see more from this park then just coasters. Give me some damn flat rides.......

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^ The problem is they DID try that and it failed! The park's image is now only tied to new roller coasters and extreme thrills...anything less and the market (the YOLO crowd) simply does not care. It's a catch-22 of management's own making. Six Flags scared off families a decade ago and they aren't going to come back. So be prepared for years more of YOLOcoasters.

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I don't know if it's the same survey, but I got one a couple days ago asking about new kids rides. I'm guessing it was a generic Six Flags survey, as although it asked you to pick your home park half of the attractions shown as being "under consideration" already exist at SFMM (a couple were even stock photos from the park's website). I hope that none of the attractions are seriously under consideration for the park as they'd all be a wasted investment.

 

The reality is that SFMM only has about three options for new attractions that won't be a total failure:

 

1. A thrill coaster

2. A non-coaster attraction that can be described using superlatives

3. A really cheap family/kids attraction that won't be a major loss when it gets minimal ridership

 

The park just has a reputation for being an extreme thrill park and attracts guests that want roller coasters and thrill rides. Yes, they could change this image, but it would require tons of investment in family attractions, general upkeep, and marketing, which I don't think Six Flags is willing to pay for, and if they aren't fully committed it will fail. Unless the park decides to completely change direction, I'd rather they spend money on keeping the park in an acceptable condition and/or installing attractions they can actually do better than Knott's and Disneyland.

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I got the latest survey. It was definitely geared to families with younger children. Despite indicating that the youngest child I have living at home is 16 years old, I was peppered with questions about attractions that were aimed more toward the 5-12 year old set. As has been said, SFMM has gone down this road before and it just didn't work for them. I just don't see the park ever seriously competing with the more family-friendly options in the greater Los Angeles area, so I'm not really sure why they keep trying. They've carved their niche, but seem to feel uncomfortable in it.

 

These half-hearted attempts at "family attractions", such as Thomas Town and, more recently, the Roadrunner coaster, aren't fooling anyone. If they really wanted to attract more families then they'd build a 30+ million dollar, heavily themed flume or dark ride. But they can't even do that and have it taken seriously unless they make significant improvements, park wide, in appearance and operation issues.

 

In my humble opinion, they should embrace what they do fairly well, and improve by way of execution. Cleaning up the park, improving the infrastructure and operations, while continuing to be a "Thrill Park" would serve them better than trying to be something they're not, and haven't been for a very long time. Once they've addressed and corrected the issues that have plagued the park's image for so long, then maybe they could make the turn toward a family audience. Even in that ideal and unlikely situation I'm still not convinced it would work. For now, YOLO!

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In my humble opinion, they should embrace what they do fairly well, and improve by way of execution. Cleaning up the park, improving the infrastructure and operations, while continuing to be a "Thrill Park" would serve them better than trying to be something they're not, and haven't been for a very long time. Once they've addressed and corrected the issues that have plagued the park's image for so long, then maybe they could make the turn toward a family audience. Even in that ideal and unlikely situation I'm still not convinced it would work. For now, YOLO!

 

I completely agree. I feel like they have filled a niche quite well being SoCal's "thrill park."

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Went to the park today and it was a nice dead day! Here was the ride list:

 

Superman x2 (no wait, my 2 friends and I were the only ones on the entire car)

Tatsu (walk-on, could've gone again since all rows were empty when we came back, 2 trains)

Apocalypse (no wait) 1 train

Riddler (no wait) 2 trains running, 1 cycling empty

Green Lantern (no wait, both sides running, 1 flip)

Batman (2 trains, 1 cycling empty, no wait)

Lex Luthor (no wait, my friends and I were the only ones on the ride)

Goliath (no wait, 1 train running and wow is that a LONG circuit to only have one train running. Still sending half empty trains nonetheless)

Revolution (no wait, 1 train)

Viper (no wait, 2 trains)

 

Would've gotten on X2, but it had a 90 minute wait due to 1 train operation. Seemed like the entire park was there at that one ride. But the good news is, they are changing trains! Train 1 (which has been running for the last 16 months) has been taken off the track with headrests and harnesses removed. They were working on train 2 (which hasn't run for like a year) and all the headrests and harnesses were installed except the front row on both sides. Train 3 was the only one running.

 

Overall a great day at the park and got a lot of rides in before 1:45 when I left.

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To break up the NONSTOP!!! complaining in this thread Did anyone else get the Survey this morning???

 

I think 2014 could be a year of Family focus for SFMM and gasp maybe even a dark ride In both survey's I took it seams like they are pushing for a dark ride of some kind.

 

I received the survey as well. Considering that I live in the Bay Area and got my season pass at Discovery Kingdom, I'd say that Six Flags is sending it to all season pass holders, not just those who call Magic Mountain their home park. It was indeed aimed at families, though it was tough for me to answer the questions, considering that my kids are 1 and 2 years old. Not exactly the age to be able to fully enjoy theme parks.

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^ Nice to see one of the X2 trains getting some love. Hope the other train comes back online soon.

 

I doubt they had a choice. Can't run a train that hasn't had it's specified annual maintenance done.

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Went to the park today. I've read all the post for the pass two days. They are all pretty much dead on.

Seems most posters have a good idea of how the park is being ran and the direction it is still heading.

They didn't even open X2 until 3:30 and then only one train. It wasn't windy so who knows why. Gold rusher was closed and I could see a worker working on a new support for the new roller coaster that was next to the gold rusher track.

 

The park is what to park is. I wish they would hire more employees as the employees are not enough and I'm sure over worked.

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^ Knowing SFMM, it'll barely make it around the loop.

Then valley after the loop

And continue to valley, then close for six months, then they'll build an easy access platform around the base so it's easy to evacuate the train.

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^ Knowing SFMM, it'll barely make it around the loop.

Then valley after the loop

And continue to valley, then close for six months, then they'll build an easy access platform around the base so it's easy to evacuate the train.

 

Or just leave the train sitting there not knowing what to do with it.

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^ Knowing SFMM, it'll barely make it around the loop.

Then valley after the loop

And continue to valley, then close for six months, then they'll build an easy access platform around the base so it's easy to evacuate the train.

Or just leave the train sitting there not knowing what to do with it.

^ Sorta like the Monorail?

 

What makes it better is that I can recall X, Deja Vu, Revolution, Psyclone, and Superman (the car was stranded in the middle of the track) all being valley'ed in the past decade, so nothing said above was even a joke.

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