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I've visited SFMM probably 7 or 8 times since the summer and I have never seen them run two trains. Even before summer, when they had two trains, they were only letting people board one train. The lines were ridiculous for Riddler every time I went in 2012. Last Saturday I managed to get a ride early in the morning with no wait, but later in the day it was about an hour wait! I usually just avoid it completely!

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I was there the first week in October on a Friday and we waited less time for all the other coasters than we did Riddler's (even X2 and GL:FF had shorter lines.) Had to wait almost an hour for RR and we rode it in the middle to make it a shorter wait. One train ops should never happen at a park like MM.

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This is exactly why my visits to SFMM went from 5+ times a year, to once a year (if that). They don't seem to 'care' about being super efficient, or providing the best possible experience; they just want to 'get by'.

 

I'll spend my money at Knott's or Disney parks, where it at least seems like they are making an effort.

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This is exactly why my visits to SFMM went from 5+ times a year, to once a year (if that). They don't seem to 'care' about being super efficient, or providing the best possible experience; they just want to 'get by'.

 

I'll spend my money at Knott's or Disney parks, where it at least seems like they are making an effort.

 

It really bugs me that SFMM gets crapped on for the same crap other parks pull. You're telling me Knott's and Disney does no wrong?

 

Also, how is Knott's making an effort? This is the park that continuously builds one train rides that have the lowest capacity. I can't tell you how long it's been since I've ridden a Knott's coaster because I won't wait the crazy lines and I went 5+ times last year with not one coaster ridden. Most of their rides can only run one train (Monterzumas, Boomerang and Sierra Sidewinder) and those that can do more (Xcelerator, GR, Jaguar, Silver Bullet and Pony Express) ALWAYS seem to have one in rehab so they end up running one train.

 

One coaster out of 17 runs one train and SFMM is horrible. Ugh...

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^ Weird, Must be you're computer.

 

Also, how is Knott's making an effort? This is the park that continuously builds one train rides that have the lowest capacity. I can't tell you how long it's been since I've ridden a Knott's coaster because I won't wait the crazy lines and I went 5+ times last year with not one coaster ridden. Most of their rides can only run one train (Monterzumas, Boomerang and Sierra Sidewinder) and those that can do more (Xcelerator, GR, Jaguar, Silver Bullet and Pony Express) ALWAYS seem to have one in rehab so they end up running one train.

 

One coaster out of 17 runs one train and SFMM is horrible. Ugh...

 

Knott's also does about 3 times the yearly attendance that SFMM does. Knott's is open 364 days a year and every time I've visited during peak season, they've had all rides sunning at full capacity and are MUCH faster at loading them (Including Sierra Sidewinder that has 2 trains, not one).

 

Your excuses for SFMM are irrelevant. SFDK opperates only about 30 days less a year than SFMM and they are great at having maximum train operation when possible. Medusa always has 2 trains even during Holiday in the Park when the park is dead. Roar and Kong operate on 1 train op at the end of the year while one train is in rehab, then they swap and operate for the first few weeks of the next season on one while the other train gets rehabbed. This is also a Maintenance department that is about a third the size of MM and has roughly the same amount of ride (just more flats than coastes). MM just doesn't care and would rather cut costs than provide a better experience.

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Knott's operations are not what anyone would call good. However, Knott's has generally fewer crowds on its larger coasters, so the effect of consistently rehabbing trains it not quite as noticeable. Also, Knott's is able to redeem itself in other areas. At least half the park is well themed and kept up, and they have more shows, actual dark rides, and the worst-looking area in the park is getting a major expansion. What does SFMM have to redeem itself? Nothing but coasters.

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I know we all like being negative nancies around here when it comes to SFMM, but I would be hard pressed to think that one of the top 20 parks in the nation 'Doesn't care.' It's a huge park that's been mismanaged for years and it is hard to make any noticeable changes without spending lots of money. For every flowerbed Knotts replaces, SFMM has 20 that they have to fix to have the same end result. I would imagine its an incredibly tough property to manage...not to mention that it's a bit harder to lure people 25 miles out of the city as opposed to Knotts which is right in the middle of the urban sprawl.

 

For reference:

KBF had 3.65 million visitors in 2011

SFMM had 2.70 million visitors in 2011

 

Not quite '3 times the amount of visitors' but I guess I sorta kinda see your point. But I pretty much don't. They're two different parks.

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For reference:

KBF had 3.65 million visitors in 2011

SFMM had 2.70 million visitors in 2011

 

Not quite '3 times the amount of visitors' but I guess I sorta kinda see your point. But I pretty much don't. They're two different parks.

 

 

I stand corrected. Not sure where I got it in my head that Knott's did 5+ million. I knew MM was usually around 2+ m. Obviously I rounded, but was wrong.

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This is exactly why my visits to SFMM went from 5+ times a year, to once a year (if that). They don't seem to 'care' about being super efficient, or providing the best possible experience; they just want to 'get by'.

 

I'll spend my money at Knott's or Disney parks, where it at least seems like they are making an effort.

 

It really bugs me that SFMM gets crapped on for the same crap other parks pull. You're telling me Knott's and Disney does no wrong?

 

Also, how is Knott's making an effort? This is the park that continuously builds one train rides that have the lowest capacity. I can't tell you how long it's been since I've ridden a Knott's coaster because I won't wait the crazy lines and I went 5+ times last year with not one coaster ridden. Most of their rides can only run one train (Monterzumas, Boomerang and Sierra Sidewinder) and those that can do more (Xcelerator, GR, Jaguar, Silver Bullet and Pony Express) ALWAYS seem to have one in rehab so they end up running one train.

 

One coaster out of 17 runs one train and SFMM is horrible. Ugh...

 

I never said they were perfect, but I would much prefer going to Knott's or Disney, over SFMM. I had a SFMM pass and Knott's pass last year, and went to SFMM once, but went to Knott's at least ten times. I just get frustrated going there, and seeing one train on a 3 year old wooden coaster, or one train on Riddler, with an hour wait, was annoying.

 

Even though Knott's might run one train on some of their rides, you have to realize that there are many other things at the park to do; you don't have a bunch of people there who are simply trying to ride coasters (which is the main attraction at SFMM). I can't tell you how many times I've been able to marathon Xcelerator, even though it has one train.

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The moral of the story is operations suck at both KBF and SFMM.

 

Exactly!!!

 

I probably went on a rant that wasn't necessary. I get that there is a TON of stuff that can be improved at SFMM but it's just annoying to see SFMM get bashed for stuff that the other parks do as well on a continuous basis if not more but since they're the legacy of Knotts and Disney, they don't get bashed for it and it's excused.

 

The Million difference isn't really that huge when you consider Knott's is open 364 days per year and the Knott's number includes Haunt.

 

I'm also surprised to see this and give kuddos to SFMM for being so close in attendance numbers especially when you think of how much Knott's mooches off of Disney's crowd being they're only 10 minutes away and their reliance on the Haunt crowds. With SFMM being an hour from these parks, they're really packing in the attendance.

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EH...we all say the same things about Great Adventure, and at least they are half assing it now! For a few years the neglect was just blatant.

And with other stories I've heard...I am prepared to say Cedar Fair just does a better job/cares more.

 

That being said, yeah it's a huge park, and part of a huge chain. Like how we accept Wal Marts crappiness but cheapness, we accept Six Flags crappiness but its good rides! And it is just difficult to maintain small park quailities with a big park.

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I don't know if we all said the same things about Great Adventure. Great Adventure has problems but they have different problems. I've never seen Great Adventure run one train on any of their major coasters with the exception of El Toro during Fright Fest this year because a restraint got stuck closed and they had to repair it. It was back on the track within an hour. Great Adventure usually runs all of the trains on all of their coasters (except Kingda Ka, they usually run three) no matter how many people are in the park (and I go between 5 and 10 times a year as it's my home park).

 

That park is not without problems (lack of lighting, train stacking on Bizarro, trash on Midways during Fright Fest, Golden Kingdom being 2 separate sections that don't connect to eachother anymore, flat rides being under-staffed) but they usually run the coasters (not named Bizarro) very efficiently.

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The operations and attitude SFGAdv of today are light years ahead of SFMM. The same could not be said of SFGAdv 10-20 years ago. What this shows is that SFMM can turn it around if management addresses and monitors the situation properly.

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I don't know if we all said the same things about Great Adventure. Great Adventure has problems but they have different problems. I've never seen Great Adventure run one train on any of their major coasters with the exception of El Toro during Fright Fest this year because a restraint got stuck closed and they had to repair it. It was back on the track within an hour. Great Adventure usually runs all of the trains on all of their coasters (except Kingda Ka, they usually run three) no matter how many people are in the park (and I go between 5 and 10 times a year as it's my home park).

 

That park is not without problems (lack of lighting, train stacking on Bizarro, trash on Midways during Fright Fest, Golden Kingdom being 2 separate sections that don't connect to eachother anymore, flat rides being under-staffed) but they usually run the coasters (not named Bizarro) very efficiently.

 

Well that's a fair point, and indeed most flak is usually at the general crappiness of the park, not the rides. They are run efficiently, especially Nitro on a good day. That line flies.

My biggest problem is rides are gone, so I pretty much spend my day on a few coasters, which is why I go only once a year now. Remember the 25 ride addition? They were crammed all over the place. Just 1/3 ran at any time and have all been removed since!

What can ya do? Its a big park and big chain...

 

Basically, its fine for once or twice a year, but I've made Hershey my adopted home park < 3

Still stoked to finally go to SFMM for WCB, even though X2 sounds like its not as awesome as it seems and now Superman is lame lol

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For reference:

KBF had 3.65 million visitors in 2011

SFMM had 2.70 million visitors in 2011

I just spent 60 seconds counting up all the days SFMM will be open in 2013. Judge me. DO IT.

 

....

 

Anyways, SFMM will be open 245 days in 2013, compared to KBF's 364.

 

As I'm whipping out the calculadora from my desk, here are the ratios for all you mathematicians:

Days open: 245/364 = 67.3%

Attendance: 2.7/3.65 = 73.9%

 

SFMM is open only 67.3% of the days KBF is, but their attendance is 73.9% of KBF's. Technically, if they were open the same amount of days KBF was, SFMM SHOULD have more yearly visitors. Interestingly to me, KBF's attendance includes Scary Farm, which tells me that SFMM is much busier on a daily basis, considering Halloween is so huge and lasts so long at KBF.

 

So really, people really should rail on SFMM for running more rides more frequently with one train than KBF. They are open less days and get more visitors when its open.

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For reference:

KBF had 3.65 million visitors in 2011

SFMM had 2.70 million visitors in 2011

I just spent 60 seconds counting up all the days SFMM will be open in 2013. Judge me. DO IT.

 

....

 

Anyways, SFMM will be open 245 days in 2013, compared to KBF's 364.

 

As I'm whipping out the calculadora from my desk, here are the ratios for all you mathematicians:

Days open: 245/364 = 67.3%

Attendance: 2.7/3.65 = 73.9%

 

SFMM is open only 67.3% of the days KBF is, but their attendance is 73.9% of KBF's. Technically, if they were open the same amount of days KBF was, SFMM SHOULD have more yearly visitors. Interestingly to me, KBF's attendance includes Scary Farm, which tells me that SFMM is much busier on a daily basis, considering Halloween is so huge and lasts so long at KBF.

 

So really, people really should rail on SFMM for running more rides more frequently with one train than KBF. They are open less days and get more visitors when its open.

 

Well, the statistics work, but here's the thing. How busy is Knott's on the days SFMM isn't open? (School weekdays)

 

Plus, if SFMM was open 364 days a year, why would there be more attendance? It would be the same amount of people going to SFMM, just different times. I wouldn't see more people going to SFMM just because they are open more often. I mean, I could see a slight increase but not much.

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