Manic Monte Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 The NEW Kentucky Kingdom had the worst line cutting I have ever seen. SFMM is Disney by comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalJasonland Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 Sign at Six Flags Magic Mountain: Â "Line jumpers will be removed from part without refund! Unless you give us $40. Heck, you could give us $100 and we will even help you. Walk you to the front row and snatch it from others; we will, serial!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodie Warrior Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 The NEW Kentucky Kingdom had the worst line cutting I have ever seen. SFMM is Disney by comparison. The crowds at KK are obnoxious, far worse than any other park I've been to. Â But yeah, Flash Passes really aren't cheap, but they're a "luxury" item. If you don't want to pay for a Flash Pass, go to the park on a day that will have smaller crowds. Problem solved! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superbatboy Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 The NEW Kentucky Kingdom had the worst line cutting I have ever seen. SFMM is Disney by comparison. The crowds at KK are obnoxious, far worse than any other park I've been to. Â But yeah, Flash Passes really aren't cheap, but they're a "luxury" item. If you don't want to pay for a Flash Pass, go to the park on a day that will have smaller crowds. Problem solved! Exactly! I can understand complaints about parking rates, food, admission etc; because those are necessary things at an amusement park. Flashpasses aren't necessary, plus if they were cheaper more people would buy them and it wouldnt be much of an advantage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 I think we are all missing the biggest news, perhaps even eclipsing TC... They're actually working on Swashbuckler!!!!  Could it actually open sometime this year? Discuss. How long has this been down? I haven't been there in about a year and it was down then. I like this ride on a crowed day as it's something to do with a short line. It's actually pretty cool at night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jew Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 Well said Jew. Â I guess what you're saying is you get what you pay for. Â Sure, it's crappy service, but it's dirt cheap. Â For Season Pass Holders. Â However a fresh visitor with his wife, kids, and 1-2 teens might not find the value quite as amusing. Say especially, for a family which has never come to the park before. Â Or is the park done with targeting families? Â Either way from a economical standpoint, or an operating standpoint, Six Flags Magic Mountain is doing it wrong. Â I'm in no way saying you get what you pay for. I'm just saying that a comparison to FastPass is irrelevant, since you ARE paying for FastPass built into the price of your ticket (whether you like it or not) and it has the potential to be just as worthless as you seem to think FlashPass is if you can't get passes for the times/rides you want because they are sold out or too late for your plans... Â $40/person for the basic FlashPass to reduce the amount of lines you physically have to wait in is actually the BEST value amongst the "line skipping" products. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterlvr Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 the TC line is perfect for friends to join others. they (5 people) can even say excuse me to the flash pass guy and nudge him out of the way to join their group. dude didn't do a thing. they didn't even have to duck under the rails. Â it's one of the most annoying things at magic mountain. half is people just thinking it's okay, and the other half is, security never doing anything about it. Â i will say that, not sure what these two guys were doing, but they were in the very front waiting to get on the next train and were pulled out of line and escorted out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singemfrc Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 I saw this at California's Great America in the Vortex queue, it still doesnt stop anyone and staff still does nothing about line jumpers. Its the same everywhere. I think SFMM just feels worse because theres more entitled teens at that park than most. Ironically Vortex is where I see the most line jumpers at that park. Last time I was there I had a dozen kids walking past me up the staircase to the station. I finally moved so that I was standing in the middle with my hands on each rail so they couldnt get by and they had the nerve to come up to me and tap me on the shoulder and ask me to move. No shame anymore, this generation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike932 Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 (edited) i will say that, not sure what these two guys were doing, but they were in the very front waiting to get on the next train and were pulled out of line and escorted out. Â That's awesome. I would had paid money to witness that. Â Ironically Vortex is where I see the most line jumpers at that park. Â I'm sure many of the employees think, "why should I enforce the rules and risk getting punched?" I should videotape line jumpers and post them on a hall of shame video on youtube. In fact, six flags should change their signs from "line cutters will be ejected" to "if you see line jumping in progress, please videotape it and show it to a manager". If line jumpers noticed several guests videotaping them, they might think twice. Â If I ever see a guest yell at line cutters and make them go to the back of the line, I will give that man $5 and a slap on the back. Edited June 5, 2015 by mike932 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brassinthegrass Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 I know I may come off as rude, but I love being the guy in line that doesn't let the little 13 year old get "back with her group" that no one seems to see ahead... Wait your turn, patience is a virtue... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedarFlags Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 Flash Regular - Compare Six Flags' regular level Flash Pass to Disney's FastPass... They both do exactly the same thing, but Disney's is free and also available for all the major attractions. Six Flags' is about $40 and only available for certain rides (which tend to not have the longest lines anyways). Â I stopped reading when I saw that. Â Considering the full price of a single day ticket to ONE PARK at the Disneyland Resort is $99 when Six Flags is always running deals on gold passes that cost less than that for an entire year with parking and Hurricane Harbor (I got my gold pass during the Labor Day flash sale and pay the $6/month membership)...you can't compare the two in any way. Â Also, FYI: You're still paying for FastPass. It's just built into the cost instead of being offered as an up-charge. Â FastPass existed at Disneyland WAY before $99 tickets did though, so the "it's just built into the price of your ticket" point doesn't hold water for me. From 1999 (when FP was launced) to 2000, ticket prices only went up by $1.50. When DCA opened in 2001, a one park ticket went up by $2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike932 Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 ^ In my humble opinion, Disney charges a lot for admission because they know guests are willing to pay that much. Americans adore Disney. It's like baseball, hot dogs, and apple pie. If Disney attendance drops, so will admission prices, but I don't see attendance dropping. Six Flags on other hand has awesome rides but generally crappy customer service, so they cannot get away with charging as much as does Disney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singemfrc Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 (edited) ^ In my humble opinion, Disney charges a lot for admission because they know guests are willing to pay that much. Americans adore Disney. It's like baseball, hot dogs, and apple pie. If Disney attendance drops, so will admission prices, but I don't see attendance dropping. Six Flags on other hand has awesome rides but generally crappy customer service, so they cannot get away with charging as much as does Disney. It might also have something to do with their operating costs being significantly higher. That said though, I bet they have a significantly higher profit margin, I just don't think it's coming from admission. Edited June 6, 2015 by singemfrc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike932 Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 It might also have something to do with their operating costs being significantly higher. Â Absolutely. For example, I'm confident Disney has more employees per guest than does Six Flags. Disney has parades, fireworks, horse carriages, cable cars, tons of live performances, etc. Also, Disney is open all year compared to Six Flags which is closed most of the year. So for annual passes at least, the price per day might be comparable. Â That said though, I bet they have a significantly higher profit margin, I just don't think it's coming from admission. Â I'm sure Disney sells a crapload more retail than does Six Flags. Women especially cannot get enough of Disney retail. Six Flags retail is meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimiGeek Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 I think we are all missing the biggest news, perhaps even eclipsing TC... They're actually working on Swashbuckler!!!!  Could it actually open sometime this year? Discuss. I heard they were trying to open it for Memorial Day Weekend Saturday during the twisted colossus preview.  Also interestingly, According to Hurricane Harbors Dinning Pass menu there have been new items added for the season dinning pass like "Milk Shakes" or a novelty ice-cream at MM. At Hurricane Harbor they have Chips and Guacamole. https://www.sixflags.com/sites/default/files/hhla_meallist.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superbatboy Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 ^ In my humble opinion, Disney charges a lot for admission because they know guests are willing to pay that much. Americans adore Disney. It's like baseball, hot dogs, and apple pie. If Disney attendance drops, so will admission prices, but I don't see attendance dropping. Six Flags on other hand has awesome rides but generally crappy customer service, so they cannot get away with charging as much as does Disney. It might also have something to do with their operating costs being significantly higher. That said though, I bet they have a significantly higher profit margin, I just don't think it's coming from admission. Â I agree, I mean the fact that Disney repaints lamp posts, benches, pathways, etc; every night is a microcosm of their operating expense and the detail that goes into maintaining their parks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike932 Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 (edited) I agree, I mean the fact that Disney repaints lamp posts, benches, pathways, etc; every night is a microcosm of their operating expense and the detail that goes into maintaining their parks. Â If Disney were in charge of the Revolution coaster, the white paint would look glossy and brand new. But I kinda like that it looks worn out.... like a Star Wars X-wing fighter. Edited June 6, 2015 by mike932 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superbatboy Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 I agree, I mean the fact that Disney repaints lamp posts, benches, pathways, etc; every night is a microcosm of their operating expense and the detail that goes into maintaining their parks. Â If Disney were in charge of the Revolution coaster, the white paint would look glossy and brand new. Â And Tatsu wouldn't look like a sucked on orange Skittle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike932 Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 ^ And the chewing gum on the steel beams would be removed daily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollerManic Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Disney has the worse line skipping. Waiting in line for the Seven Dwarfs Mine Train (only a week after opening) and everyone with a name was skipping. The problem is that their queues are so wide, and nobody wants to stand up to others. Sure, I almost had enough people gang up to form a barricade, but most dropped out pretty quickly. Â Another benefit of higher ticket pricing at Disney is class control. Usually, only the upper classes can afford a ticket. Most teens wouldn't on their own (or be willing to) without their parents pitching in. This is why Disney has less security than usual. Â I never experienced any problems at SFMM in '08. Then again, I can't remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimiGeek Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Disney has the worse line skipping. Waiting in line for the Seven Dwarfs Mine Train (only a week after opening) and everyone with a name was skipping. The problem is that their queues are so wide, and nobody wants to stand up to others. Sure, I almost had enough people gang up to form a barricade, but most dropped out pretty quickly. Â Another benefit of higher ticket pricing at Disney is class control. Usually, only the upper classes can afford a ticket. Most teens wouldn't on their own (or be willing to) without their parents pitching in. This is why Disney has less security than usual. Â I never experienced any problems at SFMM in '08. Then again, I can't remember. Disney has much more security. Its usually plain clothes and security room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedarFlags Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 The "line jumping is cause for removal form the park" is mostly a bluff at pretty much every park. In order for management to make the decision to actually eject a paying customer (and deal with the inevitable complaining and potential pr blowback that comes with it), the guest must be actively detrimental to the park's operation. Damaging property, harassing other guests or employees, breaking big safety rules, trespassing backstage... it really takes something on that level to get kicked out of a park most of the time. If someone were habitually line jumping throughout the day, and was seen by the same employees, and warned by the same Supervisor, then maaaybe it could come to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nrthwnd Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 It's sad when you think that in order to get major action from the park, some times something major has to take place, usually a fight, possibly dangerous. But that's what's more valid than line cutting. Nowadays... Â IMhO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike932 Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 (edited) The only way I can think of to eliminate line cutting is for guests to take a number at each ride. Then they could all sit down and wait for their number to be called. For example, now boarding numbers 200-249. Â Basically, mandatory Disney-style fast passes. Â As the guests sit down and wait, employees could walk through and sell sodas and treats like at a baseball game. There could be a stage with live entertainers. There are thousands of starving entertainers in Los Angeles. They could hire actors and comedians for cheap. A video display over the entertainers could show which tickets are being boarded. Â The goal would be to keep guests entertained and comfortable EVERY minute that they are in the park. Here's a video of what it would look like. lol...... Â Every problem has a solution. Edited June 6, 2015 by mike932 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollerManic Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 ^But now you have to walk up to the station. And then its a debate over seats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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