Top Thrill Dragster Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 (edited) Universal Orlando just built Transformers in a year. That's all the proof you need to know about what proper project management can do. Magic Mountain deserves no praise for how this project has been handled so far. If you can't accept the fact they've botched the construction timetable (for whatever the reason may be), perhaps it is you who should take a walk off a short pier. Yep. Just look at the Superman conversion as a testament on how bad this park is managed. They knew that Superman was going to have a drop tower attached to it when they turned the ride around backwards. Instead of making the appropriate modifications to the ride while it was down for its conversion, they end up closing the ride less than 8 months after the backwards version opened and the ride remained closed another 6 months for Lex Luthor to be installed. Edited June 3, 2013 by Top Thrill Dragster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tmcdllr Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 There could be other logistics in play here causing the delay such as revamping the surrounding area and shops, or they could just be lagging for whatever reason. Doesn't really matter anyway, its already delayed and there is no changing that. I do think its a little ironic that a ride as short as this is taking this long but I don't build coasters so I can only comment on what I see. I am going down there in two weeks and was hoping it would be open by then but since its not and there's nothing I can say or do to change that there is no point in bashing the park, as it seems to make no difference. I'll just have to wait till its finally open to ride it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyRush Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 They already finished the track work quite some time ago. Its the fact that the park has no push or urgency to wire this bad boy up and get it rolling for the public! Yes you always have set backs but it shouldn't be that difficult to get this up and running. Hell they could call me up or any of you, to dig a hole and put a tree in ,so we cant blame it on a huge lot of dirt taking for ever. Just get a sense of urgency Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Clinksalot Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Log Jammer closed on Oct 31, 2011. That's almost 2 years now. The site sat there, empty for close to a year. By Feb 5, 2012 Log Jammer was totally gone. They didn't start clearing the trees, taking down the buildings and digging holes for Full Throttle until around November 20, 2012. That's 9 months that the site just sat there ... empty. Even IF the crew couldn't get over there until after LL:DOD opened that still would have been 4 months between the opening of LL:DOD and when they actually started. 2/5/12 11/20/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VCXfreak Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Universal Orlando just built Transformers in a year. That's all the proof you need to know about what proper project management can do. Magic Mountain deserves no praise for how this project has been handled so far. If you can't accept the fact they've botched the construction timetable (for whatever the reason may be), perhaps it is you who should take a walk off a short pier. i'm not praising MM, yes they are milking this build and the park management needs to be looked at for the lackluster job they are doing. Sorry, i'm Just upset that all of us talk and talk. The ride is built and landscapping is being done. PLease let's just sit back and wait for the finish product. Thank you, for responding. Have a Fabu day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalCoasters Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Based on what I've seen and heard it seems like there was a delay between major ground work and track arriving on site. There could be a variety of reasons for this, but there's no point in speculating. It will open in July. No need to gripe about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singemfrc Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 It's true that this is a normal pattern of behavior for SFMM, which is why I am neither surprised nor outraged...I expect any coaster built here to take longer than usual and if it doesn't then that's just a bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Universal Orlando just built Transformers in a year. That's all the proof you need to know about what proper project management can do. Magic Mountain deserves no praise for how this project has been handled so far. If you can't accept the fact they've botched the construction timetable (for whatever the reason may be), perhaps it is you who should take a walk off a short pier. i'm not praising MM, yes they are milking this build and the park management needs to be looked at for the lackluster job they are doing. Sorry, i'm Just upset that all of us talk and talk. The ride is built and landscapping is being done. PLease let's just sit back and wait for the finish product. Thank you, for responding. Have a Fabu day! I don't think anyone is blaming the workers. They are doing a great job. Yes Lex Luther took longer then expected so they put everything into that first. But still it was poor planning as it was already pointed out. They started this projects months after Lex Luther was already opened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dylanreich Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Let's keep in mind that the park doesn't have a full offseason to do construction work. They have to manage all of their normal operations and also keep working on the refurbishment schedules of all of their other coasters. As long as the ride delivers when it opens, I don't care too much right now about their construction time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jew Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Let's keep in mind that the park doesn't have a full offseason to do construction work. They have to manage all of their normal operations and also keep working on the refurbishment schedules of all of their other coasters. As long as the ride delivers when it opens, I don't care too much right now about their construction time. Extreme weather (snow @ Cedar Point) or no off season at all (like Universal Orlando) didn't stop them from getting projects open on time. It can be spun a million different ways...but there's absolutely no question SFMM's management has consistently failed when it comes to getting rides open by the start of the summer season. Whether that is by design to save money, or just bad planning, I really don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tmcdllr Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Extreme weather (snow @ Cedar Point) or no off season at all (like Universal Orlando) didn't stop them from getting projects open on time. There is no argument with that sentence. If these other major parks can do it why not MM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Clinksalot Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 ^^ Exactly. This isn't the first time this has happened in recent memory. Green Lantern opened on 7/1, LL:DOD opened just before July 4th. Even Road Runner Express was delayed for over a year. If you look back on opening dates for the park, it's only been over the past few years that they've not been open prior to Memorial Day or even Spring Break. According to RCDB: Apocalypse: 5/23/09 Batman: 3/26/94 Goliath: 2/11/00 Ninja: 5/21/88 Riddlers: 4/4/98 Scream: 4/12/03 Superman: 3/15/97 (even the reopening at S:EFK was in Feb) Tatsu: 5/13/06 Viper: 4/7/90 And then you have the last 3 now in late June/early July (at least). Obviously something is going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adeuce02 Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Goliath was opened in February probably so it could hold the record for the tallest and fastest drop before Millennium force opened later in May. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyRush Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Extreme weather (snow @ Cedar Point) or no off season at all (like Universal Orlando) didn't stop them from getting projects open on time. There is no argument with that sentence. If these other major parks can do it why not MM? Exactly, they have generally nice weather to build with and its taking so long! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mechanic Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 It could be worse. They could have contracted Caltrans to build the ride. Disclaimer: You'd have to have spent some time on California highways to get that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swornenemy Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 It could be worse. They could have contracted Caltrans to build the ride. Disclaimer: You'd have to have spent some time on California highways to get that one. "New coaster project to be completed by 2016" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicMountainMan Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 It could be worse. They could have contracted Caltrans to build the ride. Disclaimer: You'd have to have spent some time on California highways to get that one. ...And there's always Caltrans for the win! If anyone takes longer than Caltrans does, God help us all! I honestly haven't been following construction of the ride very closely, but has there been any hint as to the effects that may or may not occur in the tunnel? I'm looking forward to whatever they have in store there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonlva Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 (edited) It could be worse. They could have contracted Caltrans to build the ride. Disclaimer: You'd have to have spent some time on California highways to get that one. ...And there's always Caltrans for the win! If anyone takes longer than Caltrans does, God help us all! I honestly haven't been following construction of the ride very closely, but has there been any hint as to the effects that may or may not occur in the tunnel? I'm looking forward to whatever they have in store there. That would be city/state projects... Anything contracted by the city/state (for example classrooms at my community college) they were suppose to be completed in 2011. Its 2013 and they have been sitting there unfinished for a year. They "said" they fired the contractors, but I dont buy that Edited June 4, 2013 by bostonlva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aceattack52 Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 It could be worse. They could have contracted Caltrans to build the ride. Disclaimer: You'd have to have spent some time on California highways to get that one. Wait, so this is the California Department of Transportation looking to get into amusement rides? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mechanic Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 It could be worse. They could have contracted Caltrans to build the ride. Disclaimer: You'd have to have spent some time on California highways to get that one. ...And there's always Caltrans for the win! If anyone takes longer than Caltrans does, God help us all! I honestly haven't been following construction of the ride very closely, but has there been any hint as to the effects that may or may not occur in the tunnel? I'm looking forward to whatever they have in store there. that would be city/state projects... anything contracted by the city/state (for example classrooms at my community college were suppose to be completed in 2011, they are not, and they have been sitting their unfinished for a year I can tell. Let me guess... Your English, spelling, grammar, and punctuation classes, would have been held in those classrooms, right? It could be worse. They could have contracted Caltrans to build the ride. Disclaimer: You'd have to have spent some time on California highways to get that one. Wait, so this is the California Department of Transportation looking to get into amusement rides? - facepalm - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonlva Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Pardon the mistakes Mechanic, just went through and fixed most of them (posted the origional message on my phone) And no, I am taking programming classes at the college not the "core" classes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonlva Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Anyway, back on topic. It would not shock me to see full testing sometime this week.... Someone told me they did rollback testing this weekend... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollerCoasterAwesome Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 (edited) More photos for Full Throttle and some things from around the park I know its only been a couple days since the last update but I thought I would share some more photos from yesterday and today. Not much has changed but some minor things to point out about Full Throttle The first car is now loaded with some water dummies, full testing should start very soon The back of the old Log Jammer queue building is now painted white and some scaffolding is starting to be removed I'm curious to see if the wall will stay white or if some detailing will be applied later The exit ramp is almost finished Switch backs prior to the entrance ramp, you'll enter / exit under the loop and launch track From the Sky Tower you can see some trees planted on the hillside More landscaping The trains look very nice I especially like the silver, blue, and red wheels top hat / drop off the loop Brakes Almost vertical Moving on from Full Throttle this is how the fountain looked a day ago now.. All the fountains are back up and running The waterfall in the background was also back up and running Daffy Duck Advertisement overload Still running one train No comment This is the result of 10 years in the Sun If only it could look this good! (at least the parking spots faded too) The events been running for the past few weeks and continues through the middle of June Stage in front of DC Universe Lighting equitment New flowers for Batman Maybe one day Batman could run as Namtab The left side seems to consistently go higher than the right side At least they have signs to tell you if the ride closes early (the sign was not supposed to be there but no one had removed last night) Superman Continuing the Superman trend, Superman and Lex Luther bus Other ad warped buses include X-2 Goliath Tatsu And Yolo bus - the 6th bus to complete the fleet is Viper but I haven't seen that one run yet x-2's second train in for refurbishment (this photo was one I took about a week or 2 ago but the train is still in refurbishment its just sitting on a different section of track now) Train 3 and 1 are currently running and after ridding both, train 3 has a lot less violent shaking in the final raven turn. Hopefully when train 2 returns the ride will be slightly less violent. Apocalypse is back to 2 trains but for some reason train 1 is extremely bumpy and has a lot of vibration the ride was pretty painful. Couldn't tell you if train 2 was the same didn't get a chance to ride in that train. In all honesty my ride on Colossus was smother than Apocalypse. Maybe it was the day or the heat but the ride was definitely rougher than usual results may very. I'm curious to know if any one else has noticed the ride becoming progressively rougher. Fire Speaking of fire one happened to be put out right behind Apocalypse Thanks for reading! Edited June 5, 2013 by RollerCoasterAwesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ728 Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 It could be worse. They could have contracted Caltrans to build the ride. Disclaimer: You'd have to have spent some time on California highways to get that one. Our tax dollars at work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jray21 Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 It could be worse. They could have contracted Caltrans to build the ride. Disclaimer: You'd have to have spent some time on California highways to get that one. They really are the worst! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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