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  1. You're acting like the park owes you something.

     

    No, I'm acting like this is the exact same ride I can go on in many different parks throughout the US or North America, or the World: hell, even pretty much in the exact same park, which is why there's no incentive to visit once this ride opens.

     

    You know it, I know it, Robb Alvey knows it, people who consistently ride coasters know it. Hell, even my family and friends know this B&M cookie cutter crap just does not cut it or warrants additional visits to the park. Orion is a Mako, Diamondback, Fury, Leviathon, Behemoth, blah blah blah all the same. Trim brakes on airtime hills, blah blah blah all the same. This is the same crap B&M has been doing for about 20 years now. Enough is enough.

     

    Parks dropping $20+ Million on coasters need to do better than this, because it's a joke, and I don't know why that is a problem for some of you "enthusiasts" to hope for instead of applauding the next turd they crap out. And I don't know why wanting parks to create better rides than this is frowned upon. Yeah I'm critical of ride additions at times, I think Kings Island could have created a much better ride experience than this for the money, and I think they should have instead of just bending over to the constituency!

     

    I don't see why there's anything wrong with having that opinion.

  2. Does anyone have any technical theory for why this and Leviathan have brake runs that are seemingly 100' in the air?

     

    People on here will give countless reasons, but until B&M comes out and explicitly states why, nobody will ever know.

     

    I'm not going to lie, when B&M does this absurd final brake run shit, it looks like absolute garbage. There's no practical reason for a 100 foot tall brake run that's 1000 feet long when you have plenty of open space underneath, surrounding the ride, and enough train speed to make the overall ride experience that much better for another 10-15 seconds. It's a literal waste of track and space.

     

    Orion is not getting me out to Kings Island next year. I'm so fed up with cookie cutter B&M infiltrating the US/North American market with lackluster coasters when spectacular rides like DC Rivals & Helix by Mack or Taron by Intamin produce much better roller coaster experiences you can't find anywhere else.

     

    I really wish they'd stop buying these B&M coasters and have some balls to go for the good stuff.

  3. I just hope that while they're waiting on the part, they take the time to give the trains the refurbishment they need, buuut, I don't have my hopes too high on that one.

     

    You gotta understand, it's A LOT of work for the already overworked mechanics at the park to take a train apart like X2, haul it to the complete other corner of the park (where the refurb shed is), have the entire train refurbished, then hauled all the way back to the other side of the park to be placed back on the track. This isn't Disney efficiency we're talking about, it's a tough job! And they're dealing with very heavy cars that they have to be extremely careful with!

     

    One thing about Magic Mountain (Six Flags) most people don't get, is they keep adding coasters and rides that need daily maintenance, but they DON'T increase the number of mechanics needed to operate all the coasters proportionately. So, they do what they can with what they have, and the spaces they have to work backstage with are literally the same they've been for decades.

     

    When a ride like X2 goes down for parts, or Apocalypse goes down due to a new ride addition, the mechanics take a sigh of relief as that is a LITERAL break from having to inspect/upkeep the ride for a couple weeks/months/years.

     

    This is not a Magic Mountain specific issue, this really is corporate decisions squeezing everything they can out of the personnel who IMO really are already underpaid and work their butts off.

     

    As shared NUMEROUS times in this thread over countless years, the park/Six Flags needs to drop this coaster/ride addition crap like 10 years ago, and really focus on what they have and maintaining THAT up to quality standards. The park/corporate refuses to do so and therefore things fall behind, get delayed and half assed, and you see the same issues repeating themselves and snowballing into a lot of what we see at the park today.

  4. The park is very creative and they've already gotten people involved with the petition and Spotify list (which wasn't mentioned on here, so if you didn't already know, there is a Project X Spotify list the park created).

     

    I hope this isn't the same playlist that includes songs with such classy titles including "We want some p*ssy" or "Bi*ch better have my money." Am I searching Spotify incorrectly?

     

    Excited for tomorrow, crossing my fingers for a height record as this is one of those parks I can actually make it to every couple years without really going out of my way to travel!

  5. ^Um. Ninja and Psyclone were both damaged in the 94 Northridge quake. I would have no desire to be on a ride during an earthquake.

     

    Um. Link for proof please?

     

    This 1994 LA Times article cites quite the opposite: "None of the more than 100 rides at the park suffered any mechanical breakdown or structural damage in the Jan. 17 quake."

     

    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1994-02-06-me-19851-story.html

     

    The roller coasters, the Sky Tower, none of it is going to go anywhere pending human cause. Rides aren't going to "topple over" in an earthquake. They're not going to "suddenly derail" either. Most especially in the United States, there is so much over-engineering and safety precautions taken into these rides beyond an earthquake occurring, even if a world apocalypse were to happen tomorrow, these things would most likely be standing long after you and I we gone.

     

    Even for West Coast Racers, footers are 30-40 feet in the ground! Batman in SFNO survived one of the most catastrophic hurricanes in modern day, and continues to operate to this day at Six Flags Fiesta Texas as Goliath. If that doesn't make you feel safe I don't know what does!

     

    I'm genuinely curious- not blatantly trying to discredit here- Have you been through a substantial Earthquake?

     

    I lived in the Southern Califonia / Los Angeles area for 30+ years, 1985 through 2016, so yes, I have been through several substantial earthquakes. After a while you become numb to them, not that scary, most everything is safe. I remember during college some time in 2010 when I was taking a nap we had a 4.0+ hit, and I remember thinking “oh jeez please stop shaking, I really am not in the mood to get up right now…”

     

    The fact that Steel Dragon 2000 cost twice as much as Millennium Force because the park wanted to ensure that it was earthquake-proof shows that most rides aren't necessary designed with earthquakes in mind.

     

    Huh? If anything this PROVES that rides are precisely designed with earthquakes in mind! They took into account the strength of earthquake variance in Japan as opposed to the United States, and designed the ride accordingly!

     

    I would hope that SFMM takes some extra safety measures in their ride design since the LA area is very prone to earthquakes

     

    Sure the park has some say, but it's the ride designers and manufacturers that decide which structurally sound measures need to be taken if the ride is operating during an earthquake. They most definitely put this in mind. Weeks ago there was a 7.0+ earthquake. Anyone hear of roller coasters malfunctioning because of it? Absolutely not. They were up an running an hour later.

     

    I am shocked by the misinformation and lack of logic being shared in this thread!

     

    If a roller coaster hits I want to be on a roller coaster! No safer place to be!

  6. How bizarre, my experience at the park earlier this week was great!

     

    I went with my brother on Monday July 15th, we showed up around 2pm and there were practically no lines. Every ride was operating except for Kong. Stupid Harley Quinn and stupid Daredevil were closed but seriously who gives two craps about those hunk of junk eyesores?

     

    Joker had 2 trains. Medusa had 2 trains. Superman had 2 trains**. Batman ran all cars. Would go down, but then be right back up, and was operating flawlessly with great dispatches no line. I think we rode Batman about 5 times and we started to learn how to influence the spinning with our leg movements, and we started to get really good at providing some really wild rides! Such an improvement over the Intamin Zac-Spins; my brother loved Insane @ Grono & Green Lantern @ SFMM because of the intensity, but admitted this was much more fun, and much more re-rideable!

     

    I rode Wonder Woman and it was pretty fun, much more extreme than I’m used to for a flat ride! My first time on a Frisbee Pendulum so extraordinary in scope, had a really good long ride cycle too.

     

    For the first time ever I took the walk of shame (arrrrgh!!), at The Flash ride. I don’t know if the restraints are different because I’ve ridden it before, and rode Wicked Twister @ CP several times, but those restraints are probably the tightest most restrictive things I have ever experienced. I’m not even that big of a guy, I get on everything else just fine, so I was pretty shocked when I couldn’t ride. Bummer! I love the front spike on this Intamin Shuttle!

     

    The last ride of the day was Joker and at about 7:50pm (10 minutes before the park closed) Joker went down. They evacuated the train back to the loading side, and said we could wait. Being the roller coaster veteran I am, and judging by the ride-ops posture, I figured this would be a pretty quick fix. After 5 minutes I asked “Did you call a mechanic” and he said yup. I asked “how long does it usually take them to get here?” and he said it depends. Mechanic showed up pretty quick. Didn’t even run 1 test circuit. Put his magic key in the control panel, and we literally got in our seats just as the park closed. Great ride to end the night, and has got to be my favorite ride at the park. I just love how it does so much in such a small space, and it really gets you close to the ground!

     

    So I wonder if that’s the Joker train that was giving them trouble because they were running test cycles at least an hour or so after park closing. I could see the trains running while we exited the park and waited for our Lyft. I’m surprised they got the train off the track so quickly, seems as if it happened overnight!

     

    **I know Superman only has 1 train I was just joking around.

  7. (5) Incidents and ride safety can be discussed without fearmongering entire populations. After the Ohio State Fair death, the particulars of the incident and carnival rides in general were questioned -- not Ohioans and Americans. But since these Frisbee accidents occurred internationally, here comes the narrative that the other countries have some backwards, undesirable nature that's reflected in the accidents. No thanks on that xenophobic stuff. India's not in my travel plans, but I appreciate that not every place exists to be my vacation. If the designers blew it with these Frisbees, start there. Even if ride safety standards and maintenance stink all across India, then address them, but not by making the people of different countries out to be "eww."

     

    Nah brah. Your politically correct reasoning is why the worlds logic has gone to shit.

     

    I won't ride a roller coaster in India for the same reason I won't ride one in Tijuana.

     

    That's not xenophobic stuff, that's practical reasoning.

     

    Women raped in streets visible to the public isn't "eww" to you? Unfathomable to even consider any other reaction.

  8. I'd say they nailed the pacing. It's impressive to see how close the real ride is to the animation.

     

     

    Wow. Great post!

     

    You know I gotta applaud the guys at S&S, I really appreciate the "paused" but straight sections of this coaster, I think it really adds a level of fun and anticipation while riding. Probably my favorite parts of this coaster are the ones where it doesn't do too much, just lets you appreciate the speed while doing some flat track or little bunny hop.

     

    Overall, Steel Curtain looks like a hell of a lot of fun! I hope to see more S&S's like this around the country although I have to admit, some of their supports look SUPER funky! Which I guess when you're not a cookie cutter coaster manufacturer like B&M, that's going to happen!

     

    ^ Aren't some of those initial animations done with a kind of souped-up version of No Limits?

     

    The official animation for this ride was not done with No Limits.

     

    Right. Which in the quote he specifically says NOT No Limits, but a "souped-up version of No Limits..."

     

    Waited about 90 min Sunday afternoon

    Sat in the back row and had quite a bit of vibration going on

    I’ll stick with Phantom as still being top dog of the park

     

    We've got a vibration tattletale in the mix! I get it, some of us are loyal. I like Viper @ MM better than Fulll Throttle. But come on, a Morgan reboot? Ugh. Steel Curtain has got to be better! But I love the dissenting opinion!

     

    Is there a go-to seat you prefer on Phantom which would lead you to this kind of opinion?

  9. Can't even imagine the fear of being at the top of Goliath or Drop of Doom and a tremor begins...

     

    So amazing the difference of opinion.

     

    If a quake were to start, there's no place I'd feel safer than being on a roller coaster. They're ridiculously over-designed for safety. You're strapped in to a device with no loose falling objects around you. Yeah you'll be shaking real good, but you're SO safe.

     

    These things withstand hurricanes (Batman SFNO). They're going nowhere and you're strapped in to save your life just while riding. An earthquake might scare over-dramatic young folks because a big one hasn't happened in 20 years, but people really are safe.

  10. As a former TTD ride op, I’ve seen a handful of dislocated shoulders from people who had their hands up on the launch, so I understand. Granted, that’s only a handful out of tens of thousands of times I’ve witnessed it, but this is the reason for the rule, I’m sure.

     

    I have not yet ridden an air-launched coaster, but undoubtedly the force based on the speed to second ratio means the launch is just as, if not more aggressive than the hydraulic launches. I could understand the parks having that warning just to save their butts if a dislocated shoulder from a rider were to happen.

     

    I'm a pretty tough guy but as I'm getting older injuries suck. I imagine they have that policy just to cover their butts if someone does hurt themselves while riding. I keep my hands down on most launches these days, and honestly it does not affect the ride experience at all.

     

    I still have not seen a response to the question about that little bump after the launch, does it give a pop of air at all?

  11. Cool, it's opened! Now we can focus on the upcoming Jurassic Park coaster Which...should be a more fitting 'replacement' for the thrill/intense coaster void, right?

     

    I'm curious on everyone's thoughts to this:

    Would you have rather seen Universal put in a Dueling Dragons-thrill level Harry Potter coaster instead of Hagrid's and then add a family thrill for the Jurassic Park coaster? Or how it's currently looking to progress with the family coaster (Hagrid) and the thrill coaster for Jurassic Park?

     

    I think the Hagrid family coaster is an appropriate addition for its audience. Based off what I've seen, do I think the park could have done quite a bit better with immersing the riders into a story? Absolutely. But think about the story-line the ride before it had...

     

    That being said, has ANYONE considered the Jurassic Park coaster being a B&M Flying Dinosaur like the one in Japan? IMO that would make up BIG TIME for the removal of Dueling Dragons and satisfy those who don't find the Hagrid coaster a valid replacement.

  12. Some people I bumped into were there from morning ERT to close straight through. Amazing but, how!?

     

    I agree. I give those folks A LOT of credit.

     

    You don't really think about it but Cedar Point is actually pretty huge! Doing a lap around the park is quite a trek, or trying to hustle over to Millenium Force from SteeVe for a last minute ride is not for the faint of heart! And I'm in pretty good shape!

     

    It's a big reason why a trip to Cedar Point for me just automatically assumes a Breakers reservation for a 1 or 2 night stay. It's just so worth it to have a place for me and my buddies/family to chill for an hour or two whenever you need to, even if it's at different times of the day.

  13. If only Americans weren't such idiots, we wouldn't have to deal with things like this.

     

    lol blaming an entire country for one parks loose article policy. Way to go!

     

    I seriously believe that this is the best steel coaster in the United States. It's everything we don't deserve in a modern coaster. Speed, forces, amazing transitions.

     

    Yet, the line is always short and even people who claim to like coasters say its too this or too that. I just don't get it. If anything, as it ages, i305 becomes more and more re-rideable. I get that if you ride The Voyage too many times in a row you might actually have a stroke, or that Skyrush too many times may cause an embolism in your legs from pinching you so damn hard. But this is just sheer forces. You're held in properly with the vest restraint, it's smooth, deliberate, it's just excellence. All you candy a$$ses can have your gentle B&M hyper rides. This is where its at. .

     

    Why parks continue to keep getting cookie cutter lame-o forceless B&M dives and hypers/gigas while this thing clearly exemplifies what they could have instead boggles my mind. Maybe it's just a location in the country thing, but an i305 clone/replica would literally have the longest line at SFMM for a decade.

     

    Fantastic reports, love your photos and down to earth commentary. Well done and keep it up!

  14. This addition confuses me. This is the best a park of this caliber can come up with? Even using B&M? Ugh.

     

    Can't believe what higher ups in the chain are willing to "sign off" on as a legitimate addition with so many other amazing roller coaster manufacturers providing much more unique thrills at a cost similar or less than B&M provides. Mack, Intamin, Premier all come to mind.

     

    Kings Island deserves much better, IMO.

  15. Guys, guys, guys. Once again, site plans leaked months ago. Its a coaster. I'm not linking to the leak but a quick google will enlighten you.

     

    My "quick google" yielded nothing reliable. The only thing I can trust is from a powerpoint SeaWorld made about their future plans that shows a generic picture of a launch coaster that looks to be from premier with all stats "TBD." Everything else was enthusiast speculation.

     

    My "quick google" definitely brings up the layout boldikus is talking about. It's the 5th image I see.

     

    You may think it's just enthusiast speculation, but it was referenced by blueprint documents found filed at the city, it is a breakdown of the layout based off footer/height specs. It's going to be a multi-launcher, starting precisely as that Star Trek coaster does, with a transfer and reverse spike. Then it's going through a bunch of maneuvers including a top hat element similar to Storm Runner at Hershey, albeit taller. I can't remember exactly the manufacturer, but my gut from what I remember is Intamin.

     

    Which as far as I'm concerned, as long as it's not a B&M I think we will all be pleasently surprised. Way too many watered down B&M in the states, I want to start seeing more Intamins and Macks. I really think this installation at SWO is going to be set apart from a lot of the other rides in the park, perhaps the most popular in the park.

  16. But I have never been to Soak City..... until today. So after 20 years how did it go???? I have to say it sucked!!! This has to be the worst big chain water park in the world. Absolutely terrible. It’s nothing but a concrete jungle with no charm, no rides, and no fun.

     

    First off I wouldn't say Knott's Soak City is no fun. But it is one of those waterparks I visited as a local a couple years ago after a decade of waiting, and I never went back. It's OK but I'm not really a fan of flat terrain water parks, and Soak City is one of those which leads to a lot of flat concrete. It's a shame considering if they added a little bit of imagination and A LOT more trees, it could feel less "artificial." The slides are all risen on those non-themed supports, and after growing up on parks like Raging Waters and the now gone Wild Rivers which have/had quite a bit of terrain built slides, it really leaves a lot to be desired when things are just plopped down. But Cedar Fair wanted another gate for the Summer so non-local guests had "something else to do" and I think it's there just for that. I think if they would have bought some dirt to create big hills and a more terrain-like atmosphere, the park would be much better received.

     

    Rode Calico River Rapids today and it was pretty good... My only question is why aren’t the waterfalls working??? And why haven’t they for a long time now?

     

    Man, those waterfalls used to SOAK guests to the point of walking out and literally pouring water out of their shoes. I don't know why they were ever shut off, or why they're not used again, but considering the couple times I've ridden it the past couple years, and the current POV's of the updated themeing, the ride really doesn't get you all that wet anymore. It would be great if they turned those things on during the summer months to really drench folks the way it used to.

     

    I'm wondering if it's one of those things to get ridership up as if you really got soaked the way they used to, people would be less willing to get on the ride. Getting soaked SUCKS if you have to deal with wet clothes, shoes and socks the rest of the day. I think Roaring Rapids at SFMM is still pretty good at getting the riders wet though.

     

    BTW there used to be a photo at the entrance of Big Foot Rapids of the waterfalls being on with a quote saying "You will get wet, you might get DRENCHED!" with the waterfalls on. Literally emphasizing if you were one of the unlucky ones you might just land under one of those waterfalls, but I can't seem to find a picture of it anywhere. The closest one I found is below, MAN you would get SHOWERED! LOL!! Ahhh, those were the good old Big Foot Rapids days...

     

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  17. Went to the park the last few days, and I'm slightly baffled/annoyed. Got on many great rides, Steel Vengeance was awesome.

     

    However both days Gatekeeper & Raptor were closed the entire day due to winds, even though the wind directions were different both days.

    -What irked me more, today Gatekeeper was running before the park opened at 10, but the attendant told us it closed as soon as the park opened. At 8pm on closing, they reopened it on the way out. Confused why they'd open it post closing, I asked the info desk what was up, and they said the individual ride operator decided at opening it wasn't safe, but decided it was again right before closing, but could only take premium tickets due to the late hour (the winds had died down for hours).

     

    Is this a common occurrence, where they just close this ride and reopen for "premium", because it's obviously capable of running safely if they were later, and it seems very coincidental that winds were unacceptable just for the hours the park is open. Maybe they were short-staffed and just wouldn't admit it, but I'm upset as I travelled a long way and have never ridden a wing coaster (unless X2 counts).

     

    First of all, if you've ridden X2 there's no reason you should be irked about missing Gatekeeper. Thing is a B&M sleeper and don't feel bad about missing it. I prefer intensity before any over-trimmed B&M, and would ride X2 any day over Gatekeeper.

     

    Second, I guarantee you missing the ride had nothing to do about "premium" anything literally the rides are super sensitive to the wind and you just missed them because of that. I promise you, just dumb stupid luck. Winds were down in the AM, then up during the day, then down again in the PM. This gives those "open early" guests that slot to ride before the park does, and that "stay late" guests that slot to get it after it closed. I promise, Cedar Point is super legit in trying to get their guests on all the rides as much as they can. Don't take it personally.

  18. Honestly, it's hard to understand why the park would put SO MUCH MONEY into a new coaster then cut the circuit short when they could easily make this another 1000 feet long with an airtime hill and helix and be on par with Cedar Fair's newer attractions. I felt the same way about Fulll Throttle at SFMM. Six Flags' newer attractions just seem to be cut a bit shorter, and I think it affects the overall experience.

     

    That time you could be doing just *a little bit more* you're sitting on a brake run in the sun waiting for the 2nd train to dispatch.

  19. This afternoon I drove up to Valencia to check out Six Flags Magic Mountain’s latest thrill machine.

     

    ...but the chain moves too quickly to enjoy the view for long...

     

    Rookie mistake, brah! Everybody knows Speedy uses a tire lift system, not a chain! What a loser!

     

    (I did enjoy that post though lol)

     

    Regarding WCR: *edit* I answered my own question doing a little searching lol.

     

    Here is a photo I found of a good overall look at WCR and its layout, kind of explains where everythings going.

     

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    But thanks for the update photos everyone! I know this ride isn't going to be the greatest thing ever, but I do still enjoy seeing updates at SFMM my home park!

  20. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it's a clone of Kings Islands "Bat*

     

    Wow! You are right! Although the supports are vastly different, the track spine joints are literally all in the same spots throughout the entire ride. Can't believe I didn't pick up on that before. I feel like part of the GP sucker crew now lol.

     

    However, Vortex when compared to Bat side by side with numerous POV's, seems way more intense and faster than Bat. Maybe it's just the surroundings, or maybe there are different train sway patterns based on how Canada's Wonderland lets those shock absorbers operate on the train. Because when you put them next to each other the ride time off the chain lift to the brake run is pretty negligible, but maybe that sway and just *slight* couple seconds of time cut on Vortex makes all the difference.

     

     

    Having rode Vortex many times over the years, it is quite forceful and amazing! My favourite place to ride on it is in the back seat as it just pulls you from start to finish. It always draws a line due to its swinging motion and forces that it produces. It never disappoints!

     

    Well, I would say The Bat at Kings Island is a clone of Vortex at Canada's Wonderland since Vortex opened in 1991, two years before The Bat (Top Gun/Flight Deck) had. I've been on both, and I always prefer Vortex due to its location and its overall smoothness and speed. While nearly identical, The Bat at Kings Island seemed a tad slower and slightly uncomfortable when I rode it in 2014 and 2016. It was still quite fun, but not nearly as fun or intense as Vortex. We're quite lucky to have it!

     

    I would agree with you quite a bit anonymouscactus. While Bat was definitely worthy of a re-ride, (not better than Ninja, just falls a bit short of it) I feel like Vortex might actually be one of the best Arrow Suspendeds out there with how intense numerous POV's appear to be.

     

    Learning these types of things is a BIG part of why being a coaster enthusiast is so fun.

  21. I just watched a POV of Vortex at Canada's Wonderland which I don't think I've ever seen before and WOW!

     

    Is this perhaps the best still operating Arrow Suspended that exists? After that first drop the ride never gives up, swinging all over the place and keeping pace the entire ride! Dare I say, better than Ninja at Magic Mountain? Man that thing really seems to haul, and I'm glad Canada's Wonderland has been able to keep such an intense Arrow Suspended still operating. Props to the park, that ride looks awesome!

  22. Random question: Why do Geese like hanging out at Magic Mountain so much? Is it because it's an easy source of water/food?

     

    It's cause they're cute and I'm pretty sure the park protects them. They've been there ever since I can remember, kinda like the rooster and chickens at Knott's Berry Farm across Beach Blvd.

     

    You don't wanna get caught messin' with those Daffy Ducks, I assure you.

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