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  1. On 8/1/2022 at 9:09 PM, Animal said:

    When Cedar Fair announced their new for 2022 last year they said that the Knott’s hotel was going to be receiving a major renovation. I know that it hasn’t received any exterior renovations, can anyone confirm or deny any renovations on the inside? Or did this just quietly go away….

    I live a mile away. It hasn't looked like anything has been happening at the hotel.

  2. 2 hours ago, KBrylczyk said:

    Just spitballin' here, but so many reasons, man.  So many.  One major thing might be the pandemic taking an extraordinary bite out of expected income. They might be spreading the project out so they don't have to worry about schedule conflicts, there's more than likely massive shipping delays for literally everything, labor issues with third-party companies, yadda yadda yadda. 

    Xcelerator was built in a time where amusement parks were exploding in popularity and in constant competition with each other for a "World's First" title, of course they're gonna get it built as quickly as possible before anyone else can steal their thunder.  Giving a 44-year-old shuttle coaster a refurb isn't nearly on that level of giving a shit.

    Basically, they're gonna do what they feel is the most financially-beneficial route for the park to succeed. If that means I can't go "whee" on a ride I've been on a thousand times already, well, I feel like that's not the end of the world.

    After I posted, I started thinking the same thing. It took forever to get that part for Hang Time last year. 

  3. 1 hour ago, Jew said:

    I don’t think you have any idea how complex converting the ride to a different launch system really would be. 6 months would be considered a fast turnaround…

    you need a new train, new electrical system, new control system, structural modifications, training the crew again, getting state certification…


    You're right, I don't, which is why I asked. But they build entire coasters in that amount of time. They're not building a train onsite, so that wouldn't require shutting it down. I mean, Xcelerator was announced in December of 2001 and opened at the end of June in 2002....7 months later. Why would it take twice as long to just upgrade a shuttle coaster?

  4. Why would  it take a year and a half to change over to LIMs and add new trains. That seems like a 90 day refurb at most. But they specifically used the word renovation. That leads me to believe they are doing something much more involved and Monty may have seen it's last days as a simple shuttle loop....I still think they should just turn Jaguar into an Intamin Blitz. Keep the station and theming. You can even use pretty much the same foot print for the most part.

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  5. You really hit the nail on the head with that review. Knott's is definitely more about it's atmosphere and events than any individual ride, yet they have some fantastic rides, too. Hangtime looks intense, but really isn't very intense at all. However, it manages to be extremely fun. And if you get a night ride, it's like a whole different coaster. And I could not agree with you more about Ghostrider. It is the crown jewel of Knott's. I'm loving seeing so many people go back and rediscover how truly great that woodie is. They made the right choice doing the retrack. How many woodies can still have two hour lines in this day and age??? My only complaint about Knotts is that Cedar Fair doesn't keep the park open late enough in the summer and on weekends. They used to stay open much later and the park is one of the most beautiful parks around at night. I've been there many times at 10 and the park was still pretty full as they were ushering people out of the gates.

  6. I'd say it's probably worth it if you're willing to spend thousands of dollars to get all the advantages and perks with having a hotel room and early entry, maybe go for the VIP experience. But why any general public feels like they need to be there opening day, opening week, opening month, for Star Wars land and be a general public visitor is beyond me. The entire thing just screams disaster.


    The crowds are going to be unbearable. Rides will have downtime. I imagine the 5 freeway Harbor exit will be absurd with traffic, and surrounding major roads are also going to be a headache for a while, not even for guests but people just trying to get to work. I think I recall getting in the park for free for an event a couple years back when I was around 10 years old, and good gawd it was not even worth the headache.


    I'll probably wait a year or two before I even think about going.


    But I'm so glad the park is generating an insane amount of notoriety from this installation. I can't remember the last time Disneyland was so hyped up for an attraction.


    So, you think it'll be less crowded in a year or two? I don't see that happening at all. This is Star Wars we're talking about. I honestly don't think Disney even fully grasps what they've done here....especially if they deliver on providing the immersive experience they are going for....as far as IPs go, this is the royal flush. There's literally nothing bigger. Major changes in how that entire park operates are going to end up happening as a result of the onslaught of people headed their way for the foreseeable future. It's going to be very interesting to see how this all plays out.

  7. You turn a much higher profit when the amount of money you are generating far exceeds the expenses related to generating that profit. If Cedar Fair doubles their per cap spending overnight while losing 50% of their audience and increasing their personnel and supply expenses to create a better environment, they will see a decrease in profit. Now while the percentages were obviously quite different, this is basically what happened to Mark Shapiro and Six Flags and why it went bankrupt under him.

    Not every retailer operates the same way with the same margins. You can't run a supermarket like a mattress store. You can't run a regional amusement/theme park with the same mentality of Disney World and their ~30,000 hotel rooms.


    While I agree with your general statement and I can't speak to how Six Flags managed the rest of its chain during the Shapiro years, I can say that they weren't doing much to create a better environment at their flagship park...Magic Mountain. In fact, they focused so narrowly on becoming Cedar Point West that they actually neglected every other aspect of the park. They marketed MM as the eXtreme park. The result was it became known as the teenager park. Most families stayed away because there wasn't much to do when your kid was scared to go on Goliath.


    I think that all of the most successful parks worldwide build a balanced experience. Of course, you have to know your audience and not many parks have a food in their history that is unique and desirable like the Boysenberry. Cedar Fair in particular actually does own the rights to a very large IP that they barely take advantage of. The Peanuts. That last movie grossed over 200 million. Snoopy is a cultural icon that is timeless. They could do so much more with that to draw in visitors than they are.


    A question for those who live near CP, KD, CGA, and KBF: How much advertising did you guys get for your new additions? A part of me wonders whether poor marketing could be partially responsible for disappointing numbers. Personally, I noticed that despite living 2-3 hours from Dorney and KD in either direction, I recieved little advertising for KD, and vitually none for Dorney (ok techincally I did get a lot of online Twisted Timbers ads, but that's probably just because of my search history). Meanwhile, I recieved regular ads from SFA and Hershey (which are significantly closer to me, but the proportions of advertising still seem quite off).


    The potential marketing issues could easily just be me making things up, since I'm just a 16 year old who's never even had a paying job, but a part of me is curious to hear what you guys think.


    Hangtime got decent advertising, as well as a lot of very positive press from local papers, TV media and online with coaster enthusiast sites. Is it bringing people to the park, or just keeping coaster fans happy, tho? I tend to think it's more the latter. a LOT of people who go to knott's are the Disney family park types and they are scared of Hangtime. The Ghostrider retrack is probably the only ride addition or mod that actually really affected attendance in recent years....largely because it's freakin' GHOSTRIDER. The Boysenberrry Festival is the big attendance draw now. Scary Farm is, of course, the heart and soul of Knott's. Merry Farm is an always popular attendance driver. Ghost Town Alive is popular with passholders. See where I'm going here? People can ride coasters at any park. The legendary ones, like GR, cand rive attendance, but really in 2019.....people are looking for an experience more than a 2 hour line followed by 2 minutes of fun.

  9. I rode Viper today for the first time since it's refurb, and noticed it's received the Goliath treatment. The lift chain now slows to a crawl at the very top, and the MCBR now completely stops the train instead of just trimming it. The ride still plows through the first three loops, but the back car no longer gives that catapult/whiplash effect when cresting the lift hill. I'm puzzled as to why they're completely stopping it on the MCBR, though, as the train already crawled through the heavily-trimmed second half, and now moves even more slowly.

    My biggest pet peeve about Magic Mountain has always been their penchant to do this. I'll put up with removing beautiful scenery to put in new ride, but don't screw the ride up after a few years.

  10. GhostRider’s midcourse break run is being reinstalled.


    You mean they are removing the magnetic brake run and reinstalling the block brake? You're joking right?


    They were reinstalling the block brake yesterday, I don't know if they're actually going to turn it on or not. I'm hoping it is to improve the pace at which they send out trains because operations are pretty slow. Or maybe it's for 3 train operations. That would be extremely useful during Merry Farm when the park is super packed.


    So I'm a little ignorant on this. Having a block brake installed as a safety feature would allow two trains on track at one time? I remember when they first opened in the 90's they used to send out trains from the station just about the time the other train hit that mid course section, before they were trimming. I have noticed the last couple of times I've been there that they really seemed to be trying to get trains loaded much faster. So, maybe that's it? Bringing back the trim would ruin the ride, so let's hope not.

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