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  1. Mantis/Rougouru was designed to come to a full stop on the mid-course block (if needed) and still be able to finish the circuit.


    Yes... you're right of course but if you watch Rougarou on a block check it crawls back to the station so slowly that you'd swear it was going to valley. I'd imagine even a minor issue with a wheel or something combined with a stop on the mid course would spell big problems.


    Here's a video of what I mean. The ride had previously valleyed and was being pulled up to the mid course. When it goes behind the trees you'll see that there's a point where it can't be going more than a few MPH (go to 1:43). Obviously every coaster goes slower than normal once it re-starts from a dead stop on the mid course but this ride really pushes it. Also, it seems to go even slower through that section with the new trains than it did with the old, most likely much heavier trains.





    EDIT: And in that video you'll see they started the drop and then stopped it so they could push it and give it extra momentum because they knew it needed all the help it could get. It's actually pretty funny to watch.

    It wont play for some reason. Is it on YouTube somewhere?

  2. I'm going to Dollywood for the first time next Saturday. Anyone have any advise about the order we should do the park in? Thanks in advance!

    i would go do Firechaser Express first, it will get heavy lines even on un-busy days. i believe it's due to the fact that it's a big, fun coaster that really small kids can ride. my son is 3yo and he would live on that thing if it were humanly possible. next go back down to the Mystery Mine, if it's a busy day, and a saturday this time of year most likely will be, the line for it can become un-godly! after that i'd hit up the Tennessee Tornado, it usually is pretty much a walk-on, but i've seen really busy days where they do not run the second train. i don't why, they just don't. then go on down and ride Blazing Fury. with that ride, it's really just hit or miss on the line. but if they have all three trains running, it moves at a steady pace. finally the best two coasters in my opinion, Wild Eagle and Thunderhead, no matter how busy the day, the lines move fairly consistently, you should be able to get multiple rides on them if you so choose. Daredevil Falls moves very fast no matter the crowd condition. Barnstormer isn't bad if they have both swings going. River Rampage, if it's busy, you might wanna take some food with you to wait in that line. and in my opinion, only bother with Mountain Slidewinder if you feel you absolutely have to, i don't think it's worth the time " except for the beautiful view of Wild Eagle you get from the queue. i really hope this helps and enjoy your visit. oh, and definitely go check out the SHOT ROD construction.


    I'm going next week and I find posts like this indispensable. Thanks.

    I just did the park in a circuit, hittingbstuff as I go, and was still able to do all the coasters + Mountain Slidewinder and Barnstormer. Even with a 2 hour Firechaser wait and a big shutdown on Tennessee Tornado that left it closed most of the day, I still got through everything coaster-wise. Mystery Mine and Thunderhead were walk-ons.

  3. Flying Dive machine? I think the flying coaster phase was like the stand up phase and will die off quickly



    I agree.

    One of the reasons they typically have a line, is because they take so long to load and unload.


    I figured somebody would try this line of reasoning as a comeback. However, while they do have slower than usual load/unload times, that does not diminish the fact that they are very popular as well. Other coasters with poor load times, but without GP interest, aren't going to have the lines that every Flying Coaster consistently has, and has had for 13 years. I see no less excitement about the ride type from "normal" people (ie: not any of us here) now, than I did back in the early 2000's when I was riding them. Poll random people at the park, and you'll see this corroborated as well. People, generally speaking, enjoy the concept of flying. It's a fact. I've only seen the ride type denigrated or belittled as a "fad" or "gimmick" among enthusiast circles. Nobody else feels that way on the "outside" of our little clique here...

    Unrelated, but don't wing coasters and 2nd-gen inverts basically use the same restraints as flyers?

  4. It was speculated that the reason for the 15 million price tag was that Normal track was being used like on krake.

    Griffon cost 15.6M, this coaster will definitely be of similar size. Isn't the price from the Sandusky

    Register excluding excavation, construction cost? I believe that Griffon's reported price tag is the final price (the actual coaster but also construction, land moving). If that is correct, CP's dive machine will definitely be larger than Griffon.


    Also to all the naysayers about dive machines: I live close to BGW, and Griffon is absolutely awesome; it has a great mix of airtime and positive G's. Also, it is without a doubt the smoothest coaster I've ever been on.


    after Griffons drop it is completely boring. any enthusiast would know that

    I hate people like you that claim there's only one type of enthusiast. You think that all enthusiasts have to agree or somebody's not an enthusiast. Seriously, if he loves the ride, let him love it. Just because he loves it doesn't mean he's not an enthusiast. I love Gatekeeper and The Beast, am I notan enthusiast?

  5. As much as I'd like to see Mean Streak get the RMC treatment, I don't really think the layout is suitable for it.


    The layout is VERY suitable for it. Mean Streak is more or less a mirror image of the original Texas Giant, and RMC did amazing things to that ride.


    Mean Streak could be as smooth as butter and trim-free and still be a pretty lame ride (especially in a park like Cedar Point with the bar set so high). The ride is screaming some type of RMC treatment.

    It doesn't really get enough ridership to be worth the investment. Texas Giant, Rattled, Medusa, Colossus, and Cyclone were all very popular rides at their respective parks. I'd consider a full topper track rehab (Timber Wolf style) more likely.

  6. How can glouthan Think the comment was towards him? He wasn't even quoted in the comment...


    I'm excited to see whatever that building is take shape. is it me or is it too close to the other building to be a station?


    It was about the other comment about being a hater, but let's drop this and get back to Dollywood. As for that building, I would definitely see it as a station. It is a bit close, but I think that has to be the station, because what else would it be, and if it wasn't the station where would the actual station go? Also, weren't there some rumors of having the employee building removed? Since they don't have too much room there, I would expect the thing that is being built right now to be the station, but we'll have to see.

    Alright, enough, settle it elsewhere. Back to the coaster...

  7. ^a racing GCI with an intense Goldstriker esque layout would be great for CP. I'm not giving up hope on Iron Streak though, since CP is allegedly only spending $15 mil on the dive coaster, maybe that has freed them up to ibox MS in '17.

    CP has already confirmed that they're not doing a major coaster/thrill ride for 2017. During one of the "park trivia" things, it stated it wasn't going to be a water ride, thrill ride, or roller coaster. So I'm guessing either a Planet/Camp Snoopy ride or overall park infrastructure improvements. Kinda like KI did this year.

    Where did they confirm this? I hope you're not referring to the queue line trivia game. That's hardly confirmation

    You're right. They could very well be duping us. I just have my doubts as to two new coasters in back-to-back years.

  8. So...do the wheels determine if its a true wooden coaster or what? The topper track is like the I-beam from the pictures but stacked on wood with the metal running strip?


    Well, there's no official definition for a wood coaster, but with steel wheels, it's more likely to be considered wooden. However, Goliath is still considered wood and it runs with non steel wheels. Yes, topper track is the IBox track essentially, but it has the bottom part wooden instead of the steel IBox configuration. The steel running plate is about the thickness of two wooden boards, and is placed on top of about seven wooden boards.


    I thought the definition of "wooden coaster" was laminated wooden track with flat steel running rails on top.


    In regards to the wooden coaster with inversions talk, I really can't stand them. Inversions can be found on so many coasters, and the joy of riding wooden and hyper coasters is from experiencing a different type of force altogether. There's a time and place for inversions and nearly every park out there with any type of lineup has at least 4-5 coasters whose sole purpose is to give you a variety of inversions. Some have approaching ten. Let's please God save some coasters to give us something different.


    I agree with you how inversions can be overused, but on RMC coasters they really feel like hey belong there and are not gimmicky or feel like they shouldn't be there. I don't know if you've been on an RMC before, but what they are doing with a wooden track is incredible - the inversions feel natural, and the ride isn't centered around upside down moments either. There is also plenty of airtime and some wicked sideways wave turns as well as banked turns.


    Hey all. Long time lurker, first time poster.


    With a $20m pricetag, could we be looking at multiple launches? I'm thinking something like the launches on Cheetah Hunt at BGT.


    First off, welcome to the forums!!! I do think that it may be possible to have multiple launches with the budget (that would be really cool!), but the park may use a chain lift and a launch combo instead of two launches. There's actually no way of knowing what combo of systems they are going to use to get the coaster going, but I could see either happening right now. But yes, IMO, I think it would be possible depending on how much the launches would cost and how much more they would cost than a traditional lift.

  9. ^a racing GCI with an intense Goldstriker esque layout would be great for CP. I'm not giving up hope on Iron Streak though, since CP is allegedly only spending $15 mil on the dive coaster, maybe that has freed them up to ibox MS in '17.

    CP has already confirmed that they're not doing a major coaster/thrill ride for 2017. During one of the "park trivia" things, it stated it wasn't going to be a water ride, thrill ride, or roller coaster. So I'm guessing either a Planet/Camp Snoopy ride or overall park infrastructure improvements. Kinda like KI did this year.

  10. I can bet you whoever manages the website is getting a fine scolding right now, and their job is being questioned.

    Anyway Shot Rod is officially confirmed. *puts on 50's black shades* Lets ride! So I'm guessing they're going to announce on the 7th with artwork, etc. then give the animation on the 26th?

    I'm guessing. They confirmed a while back that an announcement would take place on August 7th, so I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

  11. ^ There is also the possibility of Centurion. That was trademarked last year and many thought that would be the name for what turned out to be Fury 325.

    True, but they also name-dropped the Centurion rumors in the Fury 325 announcement. Kinda like how KI did with The Bat during the Banshee announcement. Given that the name was later used for something else in the park, I'm anticipating the same to happen at Carowinds. Plus, the Valravn trademark was filed by Cedar Point themselves, not Cedar Fair.

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