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Re: Holiday World (HW) Discussion Thread

Postby chadster » Sat Mar 24, 2012 6:25 pm

Yikes! One would think with the next gen Timberliners up and running well that putting together a few more trains wouldn't be an issue. Seems either they have a fault in their manufacturing process that has slowed the production down too far or that have bitten off more than they can chew.

At this point I'd have to be looking at all my options unless they are going to end up getting them at cost.

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Re: Holiday World (HW) Discussion Thread

Postby VGplay » Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:33 pm

Not to derail this lively conversation about the Timberliners, but here is a video I shot during Holiwood Nights 2010 and only recently edited. It's mostly Raven and Voyage with a little sprinkling of Legend (Maybe we could get a bit more access to Legend this year, Paula? ;) ). Enjoy and hopefully it gets you in as much of a mood to visit the park as it did for me, just over two months until Holiwood Nights!


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Re: Holiday World (HW) Discussion Thread

Postby chargersmichael » Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:17 pm

Mammoth is pumping water...testing starts soon! Hopefully they'll have the filter working by opening :lmao:

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Re: Holiday World (HW) Discussion Thread

Postby ahecht » Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:31 pm

dougstanton wrote:There is no reason that they can't have at least one of the trains in the transfer area to be tested at night. Many parks have a lot going on over night and this can't be too difficult.


According to the presentation at Holiwood Nights a few years ago, switching between the Timberliners and the existing trains is actually quite difficult. The various sensors along the track count the brake fins of the trains as they pass, and the Timberliners have more brake fins than the existing trains. Reprogramming and retesting the PLC each night is apparently a very complicated, risky, and time-consuming process.
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Re: Holiday World (HW) Discussion Thread

Postby BeemerBoy » Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:09 pm

Has anyone from GG's or HW's staff ever been able to take a test run with the Timberliners, or did they not even progress past water dummies? Just curious, since I haven't followed it in years now.
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Re: Holiday World (HW) Discussion Thread

Postby A.J. » Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:14 pm

dougstanton wrote:There is no reason that they can't have at least one of the trains in the transfer area to be tested at night. Many parks have a lot going on over night and this can't be too difficult. With them being marketed for the 2010 season, they are starting to run out of excuses.

What excuses? They don't have to put the new trains on at all.

They're choosing to spend the money on the new trains. I'd bet that the Gravity Group can have those new trains onsite in a matter of days - but doing that would probably cost Holiday World a big sum of money. If it makes better financial sense to delay the trains until next season, so be it!

Another thing, the PTCs are two-bench while the Timberliners are single-bench. They have to recalibrate a lot of sensors when they switch between them.

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Re: Holiday World (HW) Discussion Thread

Postby Godwyn » Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:54 pm

BeemerBoy wrote:Has anyone from GG's or HW's staff ever been able to take a test run with the Timberliners, or did they not even progress past water dummies? Just curious, since I haven't followed it in years now.



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Re: Holiday World (HW) Discussion Thread

Postby Guy T. Koepp » Mon Mar 26, 2012 2:36 pm

I remember there being cracks in the Timberliner's fiberglass outer shells? Was this the only reason that they were never used, or was there more?
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Re: Holiday World (HW) Discussion Thread

Postby SFOGdude25 » Mon Mar 26, 2012 2:47 pm

^I remember Mike saying that there was too much motion going on in the seats of the trains in Robb's IAAPA 2010 interview. Timberliners have a shock absorber system built in to reduce jackhammering, and that probably contributed to the many months of testing as well. They probably had to fine-tune the heck out of it.

EDIT: Also, Holiday World said they wanted to see how the timberliners performed at Quassy and Grona Lund before they would put them on the Voyage. They could have put them on for the 2011 season if they wanted, but they decided to be safe, which in this situation was a smart idea. Now the problem is that they just won't have enough time to test the new timberliners for this year as they have not been delivered yet.
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Re: Holiday World (HW) Discussion Thread

Postby A.J. » Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:27 pm

Another thing - when Voyage was originally conceived and designed, did they design it mainly to run the Timberliners or the PTCs?

If it wasn't designed to run the Timberliners from the start, there obviously would be a delay. Twister and Wooden Warrior probably got the Timberliners right away because they were designed to run them right away.

If I were to guess, I'd say that Hades at Mt Olympus doesn't have Timberliners either for the same reason.

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