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Re: Alton Towers Discussion Thread

Postby robbalvey » Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:08 pm

1aflack wrote:This is just going to be a very solid family, low thrill coaster with a 1.2m height restriction so similar to Thirteen or Paultons new suspended coaster. Which the park need pretty badly.

While I do not disagree with this, my issue comes more in how it's being presented. Just like Thirteen, when you watch their preview videos this ride comes off as a BAD A$$ OMFG I AM GOING DIE ride appealing to hard-core thrill seekers. Remember Thirteen when they said certain ages couldn't ride it and called it most the psychologically thrilling ride in the world or something like that? It's exactly the reason why I personally gave Thirteen such a poor review the first time we rode it. Not because it was that bad of a ride, but because it was hyped up to be the coaster that was going to fuck-you-up for life! And guess what? It was a giant Roller Skater with a drop track.

Had they just come out and said "Thirteen is going to be a really awesome family coaster" then I would have been "okay" with it. But when they actually said old people can't ride it, when it turns out that it's a ride that old people SHOULD be riding with their grandkids...I dunno. Just put me in the camp that makes me think that the marketing side of things just don't line up with the actual rides they are building, and I take issue with that.

Just come clean and tell people what the ride is...

"A family wooden roller coaster that will be solid, fun, but not overly insane and most people will probably LIKE it, but not if they think it's going to be more insane that Nemesis, Air, Similar or Oblivion, because it's not that at all."

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Re: Alton Towers Discussion Thread

Postby BudtheWeiser » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:56 pm

I give it a month before the fire effect fails and Merlin give up bothering to fix it :lmao:

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Re: Alton Towers Discussion Thread

Postby ThemeCrafter264 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:31 pm

I'm not here to say Robb that I disagree with you. I know the marketing is frustrating and often over-exaggerates everything but you know something, this tactic works. Th13teen allowed the park's attendance to increase to some of the highest levels in recent years and WICKER MAN has certainly created a buzz on social media, with the fire. Physiologically, it's perfect marketing mixing wood and fire, to play on people's fears and if it works, it could be stunning and scary. As John Wardley said at the TTSP@15 event this year, "It's going to be a super ride. It's very different, different to anything else at Alton Towers." Maybe it's not going to be the most super scary thing ever, but shouldn't riding coasters be about having fun? Wicker Man is going to be a solid addition, adding an extra coaster to the already superb collection of coasters at the Alton Towers Resort.

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Postby KarlaKoaster » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:33 pm

ThemeCrafter264 wrote:I'm not here to say Robb that I disagree with you. I know the marketing is frustrating and often over-exaggerates everything but you know something, this tactic works. Th13teen allowed the park's attendance to increase to some of the highest levels in recent years

But that increase only lasted a year. By 2011 it was back down to the same level as 2009, and by 2012 it was even lower still. If a park spends millions on a new coaster, they would surely want more from it than just a 3% increase for a single year? Thirteen doesn't seem like a very good ROI to me.

If a 3% increase for a single year is evidence that this tactic works, then what about all the other parks that don't employ this tactic and still get an increase of 3% or more? What about Europa Park which has seen a steady increase in attendance year-on-year?

ThemeCrafter264 wrote:Maybe it's not going to be the most super scary thing ever, but shouldn't riding coasters be about having fun?

Exactly, and that's what everybody is saying; it will be a fun ride, just like Thirteen is a fun ride. But 'fun' is not the message coming from marketing. Every time Alton Towers or Merlin lie and make up some dubious 'world first' claim, it just stinks of them having no confidence in their own product. The park did a poll of what coasters were people's favourites in 2010. Despite the fact it was new, and despite the hype, Thirteen came bottom and Nemesis came top. To me that sounds like the symptoms of an overhyped ride.

I hope none of this comes across as rude, it's all meant in the nicest possible way :)

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Re: Alton Towers Discussion Thread

Postby robbalvey » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:36 pm

ThemeCrafter264 wrote:I'm not here to say Robb that I disagree with you. I know the marketing is frustrating and often over-exaggerates everything but you know something, this tactic works.

If getting guests to come in the gate by making false promises about a ride that doesn't actually deliver them is what "works" for the British market then all I have to say to that is Brits have become just as dumb as Americans, which is depressing. Clearly when you see reviews like this posted online...

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You're not doing any service to satisfying the expectations of your guests...unless your guests expect that everything you tell them is going to be bullshit.
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Re: Alton Towers Discussion Thread

Postby WOODBOXCREATIVE » Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:40 pm

looks Like Burning Man
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Re: Alton Towers Discussion Thread

Postby WOODBOXCREATIVE » Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:42 pm

Wicker Man / Burning Man. Same thing...LOL
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Re: Alton Towers Discussion Thread

Postby scbt » Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:18 pm

Someone on Reddit managed to get a pretty decent picture of the ride from up close. Regardless of how it rides, this thing is going to look spectacular.


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Re: Alton Towers Discussion Thread

Postby DoinItForTheFame » Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:24 pm

Holy

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That looks amazing!!!
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Re: Alton Towers Discussion Thread

Postby Nrthwnd » Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:24 pm

Looks good, there. Very impressive.

But...all that wood + all that (supposed) fire = ?

Hopefully, no sudden 'flare ups'. :wink:
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