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Re: Carowinds Discussion Thread

Postby coasterbill » Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:54 am

Well this is an interesting move. I'm surprised that they're opening a SpringHill Suites franchise and not a park branded hotel. The park is located right off of a major interstate so it would very likely be successful even if Carowinds didn't exist. It seems like they're playing it very conservative here.

For the consumer this is great. Part of the reason I NEVER stay at theme park hotels (even if they're reasonably priced... see: DreamMore) is because it makes way more sense to stay with hotel chains with loyalty programs where you can earn or use points for your stay and rack up nights that help you unlock different status levels with point bonuses and extra perks for the following year. If you're a Marriot rewards member this is awesome, especially if the park offers additional incentives for staying there (like early entry, discounts on Fastlane and/or admission, package pickup or something along those lines). Staying at a park hotel AND earning meaningful rewards? What a time to be alive.

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Re: Carowinds Discussion Thread

Postby 11slataus » Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:16 am

CoasterAuditor wrote:I am 100% for Vortex getting converted because it would go from a terrible coaster to a moderately fun ride.


Eh...I think it would lessen the experience. Making it floorless would be fine, and it would still be fun, but Vortex isn't as bad as some other standups (IMO). Sure, many people would be happy with it floorlessified, but I think it would lose its uniqueness in the process.

At the rate Cedar Fair is going though, I would not at all be surprised to see it converted eventually.

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Re: Carowinds Discussion Thread

Postby jarmor » Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:29 am

FYI, this will be owned and operated by Carowinds. Just licensed the Marriot brand.
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Re: Carowinds Discussion Thread

Postby PKI Jizzman » Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:48 am

Vortex/Patriot at Cali's Great America is shorter in length than Vortex at Carowinds; so if it worked out well for Great America's stand up, why not for Carowinds'?

It's not as bad as the aging Arrow coasters, but it'd be much more re-ride-able as at sit down or floorless IMO.
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Re: Carowinds Discussion Thread

Postby coasterbill » Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:17 am

jarmor wrote:FYI, this will be owned and operated by Carowinds. Just licensed the Marriot brand.


I know that. I just think it's interesting that they're paying for a brand name rather than just running their own hotel outright without having to worry about licensing. It's a win for the consumer because of the Marriot rewards program, but an interesting choice for Carowinds.

For me, it says that they're playing it conservative and plan to compete with the nearby Motel 6, Clarion, Quality Inn, Country Inn and Best Western for the I-77 market (since they're right off the exit) to help make this a profitable venture (especially when the park is closed). They can come up with incentives to rope in the people going to Carowinds that the other hotels can't, but without a name brand you would have a tougher time capturing the road trippers who don't care about the park at all that (I'm sure) make up a huge portion of the hotel market off that exit.

It's a safe way to dip their toes into the hotel market. They have Cedar Point, but that's a really unique situation. If this works I would expect them to do it at other parks. I'd keep an eye on Kings Island, Kings Dominion and maybe even Dorney and World's of Fun since (like Carowinds) they're all in locations where a hotel could be profitable even if the theme park didn't exist.

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Re: Carowinds Discussion Thread

Postby bgtlover » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:43 am

The Geek Mojo wrote:
pproteinc wrote:Vortex is not getting converted. Geez let it go.


And you know this how? Did the dipping dots guy give you some inside knowledge? Dude, Cedar Fair has been on a mission to rid themselves of stand up coasters. Common sense should tell you the last one is getting it too.

It may get converted eventually...but not for 2019. Something will be going in the area that White Water Falls, Sand Dune Lagoon & Thunder Road's station was, including the flyers that are on hiatus this year while construction takes place.
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Re: Carowinds Discussion Thread

Postby The Geek Mojo » Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:53 pm

bgtlover wrote:
The Geek Mojo wrote:
pproteinc wrote:Vortex is not getting converted. Geez let it go.


And you know this how? Did the dipping dots guy give you some inside knowledge? Dude, Cedar Fair has been on a mission to rid themselves of stand up coasters. Common sense should tell you the last one is getting it too.


It may get converted eventually...but not for 2019. Something will be going in the area that White Water Falls, Sand Dune Lagoon & Thunder Road's station was, including the flyers that are on hiatus this year while construction takes place.


We'll see...

Cedar Fair let that empty space sit at Canada's Wonderland for awhile...I'm guessing they'll do the same thing here at Carowinds. Canada's Wonderland is getting the huge investment in 2019. Dorney looks to be doing the same thing Knotts did. Too many patterns here. The stand up conversion every 2 years is looking very promising. I can see your prediction happening in 2020 though. But CGA also may be getting that hyper too soon. Carowinds may have to wait for their next big coaster in 3 - 4 years.

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Re: Carowinds Discussion Thread

Postby Password121 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:53 pm

There were two floorless conversions, and they were in 2015 and 2017. I don't at all think that means that CF has decided they will do floorless conversions every two years. The years seem pretty irrelevant to me, honestly.

I also think Canada's Wonderland was an unique case that caused them to wait multiple years without their new ride for 2019. I'm confident in that. Unless another rare situation happens at Carowinds very, very soon, I don't believe they'll be waiting too long.

That said, I do think it's likely Vortex would be converted in the next few years, depending on how Patriot goes. I also don't know that Rougarou could be called a massive success (especially given the price I've heard), but I'm not entirely in the position to say for sure.

Either way, exciting things for sure happening at Carowinds, and at many different parks in the chain! Very excited for the future of this company.
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Re: Carowinds Discussion Thread

Postby FeelTheFORCE » Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:18 pm

The conversions didn't turn them into world-class rides, but it did make them more enjoyable and worth a reride or two. I'm all for converting more standups.
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Re: Carowinds Discussion Thread

Postby hoppedup » Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:21 am

Of the 37 new-to-me coasters I rode last year, Vortex was by far the worst. I'd be okay with a floorless conversion. Or they could remove it and put ANYTHING else in its place. It is truly awful.

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