Cedar Point (CP) Discussion Thread

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Re: Cedar Point (CP) Discussion Thread

Postby gearbm95 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:01 am

Just speaking from personal experience, it's been really hard to get friends to go for a trip in September. A lot of people up here associate CP in the summer/fall with massive lines, and that's a huge turn off to the non-enthusiast. This year we're trying to hit the first weekend of HW to hopefully miss the lines. I'm on board to purchase a FP+ but it's hard to get the other 2 people going (non enthusiasts) to drop $50 for a ticket and then another $150 for FP+, on top of 2 nights at Breakers ($650 for 2 nights), and $50-ish in spending money for the park. That's like $460 per person for one night at the park and 2 nights in a hotel...quite pricey!

Without FP+ you save $150 but you get on 7 rides all day and probably can't do any of the haunts. We're debating possibly doing CW instead as the lines are not nearly as long and you can get a quality 4 star hotel in the Toronto area for $150/night USD.

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Re: Cedar Point (CP) Discussion Thread

Postby hoppedup » Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:21 am

Are you guys not reading the other park threads? Clearly Conneaut Lake is putting a hurting on CP's attendance.

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Re: Cedar Point (CP) Discussion Thread

Postby Philrad71 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:25 am

gearbm95 wrote:Just speaking from personal experience, it's been really hard to get friends to go for a trip in September. A lot of people up here associate CP in the summer/fall with massive lines, and that's a huge turn off to the non-enthusiast. This year we're trying to hit the first weekend of HW to hopefully miss the lines. I'm on board to purchase a FP+ but it's hard to get the other 2 people going (non enthusiasts) to drop $50 for a ticket and then another $150 for FP+, on top of 2 nights at Breakers ($650 for 2 nights), and $50-ish in spending money for the park. That's like $460 per person for one night at the park and 2 nights in a hotel...quite pricey!

Without FP+ you save $150 but you get on 7 rides all day and probably can't do any of the haunts. We're debating possibly doing CW instead as the lines are not nearly as long and you can get a quality 4 star hotel in the Toronto area for $150/night USD.


You might want to mention this in the CW thread and get the locals take on Halloweekends.

CW draws in more attendance annually than CP and crowds have always been huge on any weekend that I have ever visited. While I have never visited on Halloweekends, I would imagine it's probably twice as crazy as a regular weekend.

If you did a Friday or Sunday, it might not be as bad...however, I would avoid Saturday like the plague unless you want to get FL+.
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Re: Cedar Point (CP) Discussion Thread

Postby DavidB » Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:30 am

gearbm95 wrote:I'm on board to purchase a FP+ but it's hard to get the other 2 people going (non enthusiasts) to drop $50 for a ticket and then another $150 for FP+, on top of 2 nights at Breakers ($650 for 2 nights), and $50-ish in spending money for the park. That's like $460 per person for one night at the park and 2 nights in a hotel...quite pricey!

Without FP+ you save $150 but you get on 7 rides all day and probably can't do any of the haunts. We're debating possibly doing CW instead as the lines are not nearly as long and you can get a quality 4 star hotel in the Toronto area for $150/night USD.


If at all possible take advantage of Friday night. Less people seem to go due to the limited ride availabilty and lines are typically shorter. You can do Friday and Saturday nights at Lighthouse Point with tickets for Friday and Saturday for 226 apiece after tax. Cheaper than Breakers by a little for some reason I fail to understand, unless it's the lack of housekeeping? And you get more space than the cheapest room at Breakers, and you get a grill. Bring some food and stuff with you. And this is assuming you don't have a season pass and need tickets yourself, or a platinum pass, where you can get the FP+ cheaper. Or as mentioned above, just hang out on Saturday and go to the park Friday and Sunday. But Anonymouscactus says on here that they go the first weekend of Halloweekends because the crowds are light...so maybe you wouldn't even need FP+ on Saturday.

I did Lighthouse Point a couple years ago for Halloweekends and loved it, and am going to try and do it again this year. The more people you get, the cheaper it gets, especially at LP since you can comfortably stack some people in there without having to share beds unless you really pack it in.

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Re: Cedar Point (CP) Discussion Thread

Postby RCjunkie » Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:45 am

pfalcioni wrote:Whatever the reason, it's got to drive the executive side of Cedar Point nuts to see a huge investment like Steel Vengeance open to massive fanfare and excellent reviews then see the attendance numbers drop.


If it is true that attendance is dropping after all this maybe CF will change their focus a little and look at their smaller parks as opportunities for growth. :lol: :lmao: :lol:

Seriously though, that is a bummer if attendance is dropping after adding an attraction like SV. Wonder how that would affect their thinking for the next few projects at CP. Hope the numbers work out by the end of the season for them.

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Re: Cedar Point (CP) Discussion Thread

Postby clem2754 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:51 am

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clem2754 wrote:Attendance may be down because not everyone goes to Cedar Point every year and some of the people that are coming from further places may be waiting for the 150th year celebration in 2020. It may have a small impact as I don't think it explains everything but it could be a factor.

I think it also hurt that Steel Vengeance had issues on opening day as the press pretty much went national. Then running one train. Maybe people were waiting until everything got sorted out. Waiting for 2019. Again I don't think it explains everything but it could be a factor.

Also if you look at Disney this year, both parks made major changes this year as did Universal Orlando. Maybe those parks took away some of the people that would have traveled to Cedar Point. Granted Disney is more towards kids, and Universal is more in between Disney and Cedar Point but this could be a factor.

I think it is a combination of a lot of things that causes attendance to go up and down.


Basically all of that is insane. Google News turns up a few Cleveland Scene, ABC Toldeo, Cincinnati.com and Sandusky Register stories about Steel Vengeance having issues and that's it. Yup... National news. That's probably the only thing you mentioned that actually had any sliver of an impact at all, but "national news"... come on :lol:


I have relatives that with 2 kids if given the choice, one would perfer Universal and one would perfer Cedar Point. You aren't doing both in the same summer. You have to choose. With that said not everyone is over the top theme park goers like some of us in these post. You have to make a decision.

As far as the SV story, I saw it in other news sources outside of ohio including at least one national outlet.

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Re: Cedar Point (CP) Discussion Thread

Postby coasterbill » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:00 am

Cedar Point is not competing with Universal Studios or Disney. The closest Universal or Disney park is over a thousand miles from Cedar Point. WTF? :lol:

I'm beyond entertained at the thought of Cedar Fair executives going on a conference call and being like "Yeah our numbers at Cedar Point are down, but like... have you not seen Slinky Dog Dash, the fact that Disney re-named a 17 year old coaster at a park that's just a short 34 hour drive from our park or that Fast and the Furious Supercharged ride that nobody likes that's also nowhere near us?"

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Re: Cedar Point (CP) Discussion Thread

Postby A.J. » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:13 am

Technically they are both in the same competitive space, in the sense that they are selling inclusive resort experiences. They want you to stay in "the bubble". Go to the park(s) for multiple days, stay at the onsite resort, you know how it goes. Both developments (Walt Disney World too) want you to make your vacation focused on their offerings and their offerings only.

That being said, I highly doubt that anything that Cedar Point or Universal Orlando would do would cause some seismic shift in attendance from one to the other. I'd be very surprised if more than a select few "normal" vacation-goers cancelled their Cedar Point trip just because Steel Vengeance had an oopsie, and I would be even more surprised if even a few of THOSE people made plans to go to Universal instead as a result.
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Re: Cedar Point (CP) Discussion Thread

Postby clem2754 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:24 am

coasterbill wrote:Cedar Point is not competing with Universal Studios or Disney. The closest Universal or Disney park is over a thousand miles from Cedar Point. WTF? :lol:

I'm beyond entertained at the thought of Cedar Fair executives going on a conference call and being like "Yeah our numbers at Cedar Point are down, but like... have you not seen Slinky Dog Dash, the fact that Disney re-named a 17 year old coaster at a park that's just a short 34 hour drive from our park or that Fast and the Furious Supercharged ride that nobody likes that's also nowhere near us?"

Come on...


If Cedar Point wants to grow, they have to draw people outside of Ohio, Michigan, Pittsburgh, Indiana, and possibly Chicago. If they want to be a destination attraction and get people from around the country, then yes they are competing with Universal, who doesn't have the roller coasters but is geared towards a similar market overall. Disney is geared towards younger kids. They are going to get what they get in the core market, but the growth is going to come from the people that travel to Cedar Point from further away. So yes Cedar Fair is concerned with what Universal, Six Flags, and even Disney is doing because it impacts the industry.

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Re: Cedar Point (CP) Discussion Thread

Postby DavidB » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:27 am

Not that this means there is specific direct competition, but I have a friend who just took his family of 4 to CP this summer after a couple years of Orlando vacations. He partly did it because of SV and isn't an enthusiast per se, but seems to be heading that direction as it's something he can share with his step daughter. After his 3 or 4 days at CP he is already talking about going back this fall and staying on the peninsula. Again, not that it means anything major, but when you have a certain amount of money to take a vacation out of town with, they've been swayed towards CP from Orlando, and it really is kind of an either or decision for many.

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